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Old 12-07-2019, 04:49 AM
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Default LG is a scumbag of a company... and they are making the batteries for the new Ford...

LG, when it comes to appliances is pretty legendary for making complete trash.

My understanding is that LG Chem (same parent company, I believe) is making the batteries for the new Ford electric vehicles.

Thoughts? Anyone know anything about these batteries compared to others? (Tesla, etc.?)
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They're just as good as anything else. Use them and Samsung alot in my industry.
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Originally Posted by NCSUboater View Post
They're just as good as anything else. Use them and Samsung alot in my industry.
I sure hope you're right. I like Ford's stock dividend -- but knowing they're in bed with LG on something is problematic... hopefully LG Chem doesn't know they're part of LG Appliances. LOL.

Thanks.
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batteries to appliances is like comparing apples to hand grenades.
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Originally Posted by ncmallard78 View Post
batteries to appliances is like comparing apples to hand grenades.
I hope you're right! To me, it's about corporate culture. If the the people at the top allows trash like LG appliances to be made, why wouldn't they allows crap batteries to be made too?

But again... if you're right, you're right. I think it's a terrible choice. I don't trust ANYTHING that company makes.
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Many international companies are diversified. And many different products within the same company operate like different companies. Don't sell LG short on a new industry.

Ford is going to standardize their batteries into one big battery pod. They're smart to use the same battery pod on both the "Mustang" SUV and the full electric F150. That'll keep the cost of production down.

Hopefully the batteries are going to be like Toyota hybrid battery packs where if 5 or 8 small batteries go bad and they can be "refurbished" for a small percentage of a full battery pack. There's quite a market for Toyota hybrid wrecks just for the batteries alone.

If I was a mechanic, I'd be looking to get schooled on repairing electric vehicles and hybrids. A regular mechanic has no business trying to deal with them, as 800 volts can easily fry a man. Being a EV mechanic would almost be a license to steal.

I've got a year old Toyota Camry Hybrid, and we absolutely love the vehicle. With lithium batteries, we're getting about 49 mpg in town or on the open highway on average. And they're very trouble free vehicles with 100,000 mile battery warranties that are being upped to 150,000 miles.
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Originally Posted by OldPete View Post
LG, when it comes to appliances is pretty legendary for making complete trash.

My understanding is that LG Chem (same parent company, I believe) is making the batteries for the new Ford electric vehicles.

Thoughts? Anyone know anything about these batteries compared to others? (Tesla, etc.?)
So why is LG a "scumbag of a company" ?
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I've never had an issue with any LG product I've owned, from window AC units, refrigerators or stoves, maybe I was just lucky and continue to be so.

That said Ford has a history of, "Put the product out to the public and let them sue us for the defects later". I like Ford products, have never been burned by them (thank god for my extended warranty), but knowing some of their history is eye opening.
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scumbag company! Op, What did they do, run off with your wife, kick your dog, date your daughter?
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Gotta love the internets. So the issue is Ford using LG Chem batteries, right?

Wrong.

LG Chem is making batteries for:

General Motors: Chevrolet Volt Gen 1, Gen 2, Chevy Spark, Chevy Bolt, Cadillac ELR
Groupe Renault: Renault ZOE, Renault Twizy
Hyundai: Hyundai Sonata Hybrid
Ford Motor Company: Ford Focus Electric, Ford Mustang Mach-E
Volvo Cars:[19][20] Volvo S60 II, Volvo V60,[21] Volvo XC90 II,[22] Volvo S90/V90 II[23]

Guess OP can buy a Chrysler?
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Originally Posted by The Drifter View Post
So why is LG a "scumbag of a company" ?
Probably bought a kitchen appliance and it crapped out after three weeks. Itís common knowledge for 6+ years LG appliances are crap. Even the salespeople at HD steer people away from them for years.

Iím sure the batteries are being made on the same assemble line as the refrigerators.

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Originally Posted by bjm9818 View Post
Probably bought a kitchen appliance and it crapped out after three weeks. Itís common knowledge for 6+ years LG appliances are crap. Even the salespeople at HD steer people away from them for years.

Iím sure the batteries are being made on the same assemble line as the refrigerators.
Wish I had shopped at HD then!

We got 6 Months out of ours... The problem is I had it for 11 months before it was installed so 6 + 11 = 17 months... so no warranty. LG, all the way up the chain = No care.

No feeling like putting $2,000 out on the curb.
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Originally Posted by rickboat View Post
Gotta love the internets. So the issue is Ford using LG Chem batteries, right?

Wrong.

LG Chem is making batteries for:

General Motors: Chevrolet Volt Gen 1, Gen 2, Chevy Spark, Chevy Bolt, Cadillac ELR
Groupe Renault: Renault ZOE, Renault Twizy
Hyundai: Hyundai Sonata Hybrid
Ford Motor Company: Ford Focus Electric, Ford Mustang Mach-E
Volvo Cars:[19][20] Volvo S60 II, Volvo V60,[21] Volvo XC90 II,[22] Volvo S90/V90 II[23]

Guess OP can buy a Chrysler?
LOL... you know, there are other brands than Chrysler, right? LOL. I thought I had you blocked.
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Ever try to work with Electrolux? They own many names now. They all put out substandard or poorly products.
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I get that a lot of "corporate" is now global.

But just a few years after American car brands started realizing a good % of its buyers weren't liking that large portions of American cars were actually made outside the US..and started bringing that back home into the US again...why can't we get our batteries from America?

What was it, ~10 years ago...the most "US Made truck" was the Toyota Tundra. Much of Ford and GM were made up in Canada, and RAM down in Mexico. The public didn't like that Ford started to become much more US sourced again. Why not include batteries for in the future? I'm sure production materials and costs are a portion of it...but should get that ball rolling!
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Originally Posted by YeOldeStonecat View Post
I get that a lot of "corporate" is now global.

But just a few years after American car brands started realizing a good % of its buyers weren't liking that large portions of American cars were actually made outside the US..and started bringing that back home into the US again...why can't we get our batteries from America?

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Does this help?

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/05/b...g-battery.html

Being a partnership it will likely not be forced to be a union shop, at least at the beginning.
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Originally Posted by OldPete View Post
I hope you're right! To me, it's about corporate culture. If the the people at the top allows trash like LG appliances to be made, why wouldn't they allows crap batteries to be made too?

But again... if you're right, you're right. I think it's a terrible choice. I don't trust ANYTHING that company makes.
GE made crap appliances too but at the same time making great jet engines.
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Originally Posted by Windwood View Post
GE made crap appliances too but at the same time making great jet engines.
See... my GE appliances have been pretty good to me. I still like Whirlpool a little better, but GE isn't horrible. NOTHING like LG. But I get it.

Originally Posted by YeOldeStonecat View Post
I get that a lot of "corporate" is now global.

But just a few years after American car brands started realizing a good % of its buyers weren't liking that large portions of American cars were actually made outside the US..and started bringing that back home into the US again...why can't we get our batteries from America?

What was it, ~10 years ago...the most "US Made truck" was the Toyota Tundra. Much of Ford and GM were made up in Canada, and RAM down in Mexico. The public didn't like that Ford started to become much more US sourced again. Why not include batteries for in the future? I'm sure production materials and costs are a portion of it...but should get that ball rolling!
You don't have to tell me! My 2006 Chevy W/T 1500 was the same year they ran the ads with the truck with the giant US flag in the bed... remember those ads? Well... guess what?

My truck is made in AMERICA. LOL... N-O-R-T-H A-M-E-R-I-C-A... LOLOLOL... Mexico. LOL

It's all bullshit.
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Originally Posted by OldPete View Post
Wish I had shopped at HD then!

We got 6 Months out of ours... The problem is I had it for 11 months before it was installed so 6 + 11 = 17 months... so no warranty. LG, all the way up the chain = No care.

No feeling like putting $2,000 out on the curb.
Not my experience. I have an LG fridge in both my homes. One is over 20 years old and the other is now 9 years old. They are the best fridges Ive ever owned. I also dont hesitate to buy LG for all my rental properties.

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