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New GM 3.0L diesel 1500 has the same torque and cost as the 6.2 L

Old 03-28-2019, 07:54 AM
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Originally Posted by HTJ View Post
Very mucho exactly this...show me a half ton diesel in work truck trim for a reasonable MSRP and then I'll pay attention.

My company just took delivery of 3 F-250 diesels, plane jane single cab and stickered at 52K,,,unless hooked to a trailer 24/7 the improved fuel economy over a gasser will never ever encroach upon the up front price delta. Actually given the nominal premium for diesel fuel and increased maintenance/repair costs is actually a backwards move.

I just bought a '19 crew cab, 3500 SRW, short bed LT (step above work truck) with duramax / allison for our company on 2/15/19. Cloth seats, carpet, power windows, door locks, power towing mirrors, etc. Really a nice truck that I wouldn't mind driving as a personal vehicle every day. Really, the only thing it didn't have that I would have insisted on for a personal vehicle would have been power seats. Added a g/n hitch and running boards / steps which added some money but OTD price on the truck itself was $46,175.70.

I've been reading here and there that Ford has gone nuts with their trucks prices over the past few years. What you just posted seems to reinforce that.
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Old 03-28-2019, 08:18 AM
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I bought my 2016 Silverado CC 4x4 LS 5.3 about 3 months before I bought my 2400 BlueWave. Had I known I was getting the bigger boat, I would've gotten a 6.2 truck & it would've cost alot more than my "chromed up Work Truck"! I DON'T need nor care for paying for "pretty boy truck" crap llke air cooled leather seats, super dyna whopper sound systems, sun roof, captains chairs, 45 electrical outlets, 20" ghetto rims, fog lights nor navigation. Sure I'd take all of that IF it were priced reasonably, say $4k-$5k for the ALL of it. But since Mr. & Mrs. America are standing in line to buy all that crap, the big 3 are packaging all that crap up at a $10k-$20k markup, NO THANKS!

Having said that, I'm pretty sure that in 2020 I'll be buying myself a new/er truck and most likely it will be a 2019+ GM CC with a 6.2..... UNLESS I drive and fall in love with this new babymax oil burner! upper 20s-30ish mpg highway running IS tempting. As is, 15-20mpg boat towing. (Vs my 9-10mpg presently) I haul my boat 500miles each way when I take it to our place in FL and even fishing around here at home ends up being a 150-200m tow each day. If that baby max will lug overpasses and hills without revving to the moon and if it just pulls "as hard" as my current 5.3, then yes I'll bite and get one after I see how their track record is during the rest of this year and the first half of next year.

My 5.3s (both my 2016 Silverado and my wifes 2015 Suburban) pull fine but I just wish they wouldn't shift at the tinniest hint of acceleration or ascent up an overpass or grade. The torque is there, it starts making 300# at around 2k Rs. But the way they have the trans programmed, they downshift with every headwind or grade change. If that babymax will hold around 1500-2k Rs at 60-70ish with the boat on back, SIGN ME UP!
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Old 03-28-2019, 08:20 AM
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Originally Posted by jj1987 View Post
Did you ask to negotiate that price? I'm on the ecodiesel owners forum and no one pays anywhere near that.
Sure, they just wouldn't move as much as I wanted. IIRC, there weren't many diesel units nearby at the time, too... and wifey liked a different (gas) unit better anyway... and neither of us were hard over on the whole diesel idea for her particular application anyway.

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Old 03-28-2019, 08:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Parthery View Post
I get over 20 cruising at 80 on the interstate in my 6.2 LTZ.

Actually would routinely see over 21 before I leveled it, but picking up the nose knocked a bit off the MPG.

Guys, i am sorry, but i have a hard time believing that a full size truck with a 6.2 liter motor is getting over 20 MPG running 80 on the highway. I gotsa call BS! I Tell you what, i sure as heck would never sell that truck. It sounds like one of the rare ones that got the magic ferry dust sprinkled on it while at the factory. A rare bird indeed!
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Old 03-28-2019, 08:45 AM
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Originally Posted by HatchieLuvr View Post
I bought my 2016 Silverado CC 4x4 LS 5.3 about 3 months before I bought my 2400 BlueWave. Had I known I was getting the bigger boat, I would've gotten a 6.2 truck & it would've cost alot more than my "chromed up Work Truck"! I DON'T need nor care for paying for "pretty boy truck" crap llke air cooled leather seats, super dyna whopper sound systems, sun roof, captains chairs, 45 electrical outlets, 20" ghetto rims, fog lights nor navigation. Sure I'd take all of that IF it were priced reasonably, say $4k-$5k for the ALL of it. But since Mr. & Mrs. America are standing in line to buy all that crap, the big 3 are packaging all that crap up at a $10k-$20k markup, NO THANKS!

Having said that, I'm pretty sure that in 2020 I'll be buying myself a new/er truck and most likely it will be a 2019+ GM CC with a 6.2..... UNLESS I drive and fall in love with this new babymax oil burner! upper 20s-30ish mpg highway running IS tempting. As is, 15-20mpg boat towing. (Vs my 9-10mpg presently) I haul my boat 500miles each way when I take it to our place in FL and even fishing around here at home ends up being a 150-200m tow each day. If that baby max will lug overpasses and hills without revving to the moon and if it just pulls "as hard" as my current 5.3, then yes I'll bite and get one after I see how their track record is during the rest of this year and the first half of next year.

My 5.3s (both my 2016 Silverado and my wifes 2015 Suburban) pull fine but I just wish they wouldn't shift at the tinniest hint of acceleration or ascent up an overpass or grade. The torque is there, it starts making 300# at around 2k Rs. But the way they have the trans programmed, they downshift with every headwind or grade change. If that babymax will hold around 1500-2k Rs at 60-70ish with the boat on back, SIGN ME UP!
I am a Ram guy, but i like the idea of the straight 6 that is coming in the half ton Chevy's. I took my truck in for some recalls a couple of months ago and they gave me a loaner to drive, it was a 2018 Ram1500 with the Ecodiesel. That thing showed i was getting 30mpg most of the time. I drove it all around town for 3 days, probably between 150 -175 miles. I filled it up before i dropped it off at the dealership and i could barely stuff 7 gallons of diesel in it. I was amazed at the mileage, and the dang thing was pretty peppy in my opinion. I really liked it! I would expect something similar from the chevy.
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Old 03-28-2019, 09:02 AM
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Originally Posted by HatchieLuvr View Post
I bought my 2016 Silverado CC 4x4 LS 5.3 about 3 months before I bought my 2400 BlueWave. Had I known I was getting the bigger boat, I would've gotten a 6.2 truck & it would've cost alot more than my "chromed up Work Truck"! I DON'T need nor care for paying for "pretty boy truck" crap llke air cooled leather seats, super dyna whopper sound systems, sun roof, captains chairs, 45 electrical outlets, 20" ghetto rims, fog lights nor navigation. Sure I'd take all of that IF it were priced reasonably, say $4k-$5k for the ALL of it. But since Mr. & Mrs. America are standing in line to buy all that crap, the big 3 are packaging all that crap up at a $10k-$20k markup, NO THANKS!

Having said that, I'm pretty sure that in 2020 I'll be buying myself a new/er truck and most likely it will be a 2019+ GM CC with a 6.2..... UNLESS I drive and fall in love with this new babymax oil burner! upper 20s-30ish mpg highway running IS tempting. As is, 15-20mpg boat towing. (Vs my 9-10mpg presently) I haul my boat 500miles each way when I take it to our place in FL and even fishing around here at home ends up being a 150-200m tow each day. If that baby max will lug overpasses and hills without revving to the moon and if it just pulls "as hard" as my current 5.3, then yes I'll bite and get one after I see how their track record is during the rest of this year and the first half of next year.

My 5.3s (both my 2016 Silverado and my wifes 2015 Suburban) pull fine but I just wish they wouldn't shift at the tinniest hint of acceleration or ascent up an overpass or grade. The torque is there, it starts making 300# at around 2k Rs. But the way they have the trans programmed, they downshift with every headwind or grade change. If that babymax will hold around 1500-2k Rs at 60-70ish with the boat on back, SIGN ME UP!
2 Options here - either put it in tow mode or select manual and leave it in 5th gear on the highway...unless you are a kamikaze tow guy trying to run 75 with the boat behind you - then you're on your own. I pulled a much heavier boat than a 24 bay boat with two different 5.3 Silverados from Venice to SPI without issue...mebbe my expectations are just moderated.

I'm at a point of kinda needing a 3/4 ton but I absolutely don't want one...the Titan XD diesel is starting to get my attention a bit.
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Old 03-28-2019, 09:50 AM
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GM hasn't shown in close to 20 years that they can have a good shift pattern on their 1/2 and smaller trucks. A full programmer is needed IMO to "fix" their programming that's aimed strictly at meeting fuel numbers, not at a pleasant driving experience.
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Old 03-28-2019, 10:47 AM
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Originally Posted by bigfish55 View Post
Guys, i am sorry, but i have a hard time believing that a full size truck with a 6.2 liter motor is getting over 20 MPG running 80 on the highway. I gotsa call BS! I Tell you what, i sure as heck would never sell that truck. It sounds like one of the rare ones that got the magic ferry dust sprinkled on it while at the factory. A rare bird indeed!

I have no clue on the 6.2 one way or another but I will tell you that I put 250,000 miles on a '92, 1500 ext cab with a 350 (5.7) that got 20 mpg all day long at 77 mph. The truck did have 3:08 differential gears though. Had a friend / co-worker that called BS on my 20 mpg. At the time, he drove an F150 with the 302 in it. His claim was that he got 28 mpg. When you looked at him funny he'd smile and say "14 hwy, 14 city...28". Anyway, we went on a work trip together and traveled all over the state for a contract we had. Showed him the 20 mpg by letting him pump the gas and reset the trip and such. He was in shock.
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Old 03-28-2019, 12:32 PM
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Originally Posted by bigfish55 View Post
Guys, i am sorry, but i have a hard time believing that a full size truck with a 6.2 liter motor is getting over 20 MPG running 80 on the highway. I gotsa call BS! I Tell you what, i sure as heck would never sell that truck. It sounds like one of the rare ones that got the magic ferry dust sprinkled on it while at the factory. A rare bird indeed!
My 6.2L did, several threads about it on here if you search. That was before the Bilstien 5100 shocks raised the front end and before the Nitto Ridge Grapler tires. I can't complain about the fuel economy... just the crappy transmission.
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Originally Posted by Salmonbum View Post
Put gas in your diesel and let me know how far you get. I'm guessing less than 3 miles. So..... your "gas" mileage would be pretty low.

I prefer to put diesel in my diesel, and gas in my gas powered vehicles.
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Originally Posted by NOLA Rick View Post
EricInMich will be along shortly to defend the General to the death...

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Lose an internet argument with someone and can't let it go?

I don't think I've argued over opinions, just incorrect facts. Spend a few hours looking through old posts and make a pareto chart, maybe I'm wrong.
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Originally Posted by ericinmich View Post
Lose an internet argument with someone and can't let it go?

I don't think I've argued over opinions, just incorrect facts. Spend a few hours looking through old posts and make a pareto chart, maybe I'm wrong.
you make good points for sure, but anyone can play armchair internet expert, if that's what your research is based on. All my opinions are determined by either owning or working on/for the GM crap. Admittedly I cant comment too much in new GM shit as I stopped drinking the GM kool aid and dont buy, and now refuse to do work for GM. But half the posts in this section of THT are with others having GM problems. Seems like many others feel the same.
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Originally Posted by Salmonbum View Post
you make good points for sure, but anyone can play armchair internet expert, if that's what your research is based on. All my opinions are determined by either owning or working on/for the GM crap. Admittedly I cant comment too much in new GM shit as I stopped drinking the GM kool aid and dont buy, and now refuse to do work for GM. But half the posts in this section of THT are with others having GM problems. Seems like many others feel the same.
I can understand how experiences impact folks opinions, and think I stay away from debating those. I would say that it's not half the posts though, but closer to 2 percent (not sure if one would count titles ot individual posts or redundant posts by same person, etc).

It's the same kind of problem with self reported quality data.

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Originally Posted by ericinmich View Post
It's the same kind of problem with self reported quality data.
you mean the self reported data commercial GM had to pull?
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you mean the self reported data commercial GM had to pull?
I agree, that was a joke. That was a great example of data lies and lier's use data...
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8-10 years ago everyone on this forum wanted a diesel in a 1/2 ton pickup. Now 4 companies offer it and everyone seems to think it's stupid. We got what we wanted?

My previous truck was a '06 GMC Sierra with a 5.3. My drive to work is 26 miles each way of 50/50 city/highway. The Sierra got 14mpg. Last year I needed a new truck (wrecked the old). I looked around and bought a RAM Ecodiesel. Not because I needed a diesel, because I wanted it. So far getting 23mpg to/from work. It drives real nice and I like the features. I pulled my 25' boat with it once. Pulled it ok. Pulling my dads 19' CC get 17mpg towing at 60mph.

I like the RAM and diesel so far (15,000miles). It is a little slow taking off, but I like in a small town so I don't often need to pull out in front of anybody.
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Originally Posted by Gmack View Post
8-10 years ago everyone on this forum wanted a diesel in a 1/2 ton pickup. Now 4 companies offer it and everyone seems to think it's stupid. We got what we wanted?

My previous truck was a '06 GMC Sierra with a 5.3. My drive to work is 26 miles each way of 50/50 city/highway. The Sierra got 14mpg. Last year I needed a new truck (wrecked the old). I looked around and bought a RAM Ecodiesel. Not because I needed a diesel, because I wanted it. So far getting 23mpg to/from work. It drives real nice and I like the features. I pulled my 25' boat with it once. Pulled it ok. Pulling my dads 19' CC get 17mpg towing at 60mph.

I like the RAM and diesel so far (15,000miles). It is a little slow taking off, but I like in a small town so I don't often need to pull out in front of anybody.
we want strong, powerful diesels. Obsurd power for the vehicle size/type. Not economy focused small displacement stuff. Something along 2/3 the power of the current 3/4 and 1 ton offerings, in a good riding 1/2 ton.
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we want strong, powerful diesels. Obsurd power for the vehicle size/type. Not economy focused small displacement stuff. Something along 2/3 the power of the current 3/4 and 1 ton offerings, in a good riding 1/2 ton.
I'll be happy when Toyota comes out with 3/4 ton and 1 ton dually series trucks and they drop a CAT in it or even a in-house V8/I6 diesel built by Toyota.
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Old 03-29-2019, 01:31 PM
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They have barley updated the Tundra in 12 years,

I don't think what you describe will happen.

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I'll be happy when Toyota comes out with 3/4 ton and 1 ton dually series trucks and they drop a CAT in it or even a in-house V8/I6 diesel built by Toyota.
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I'll be happy when Toyota comes out with 3/4 ton and 1 ton dually series trucks and they drop a CAT in it or even a in-house V8/I6 diesel built by Toyota.
they have some good diesels in their Hino trucks. But nothing comparable to an American pickup market motor that I’m aware of. The Hino stuff is way to heavy to stuff into a pickup.
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