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Thoughts/insight. F150 Ecoboost 3.5 vs Nissan Titan Xd diesel

Old 03-05-2019, 07:54 AM
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Default Thoughts/insight. F150 Ecoboost 3.5 vs Nissan Titan Xd diesel

So my 20116.7 power stroke lariat is down for the count(engine issues). Been contemplating the next move as we have a boat rental business and our season is starting soon. Reliability is a must. The boats that we rent are skiffs and a 23 sea hunt center console. Our personal boat is a Robalo r242 center console that we tow on occasion. We will ove up to a 27 cc in the near future with the plan to to to Florida in our off season. Just wanted some feedback from the owners of these trucks. Thanks in advance for your feedback.
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I was going to say either should be "ok" (understanding that "ok" means the XD Cummins is obviously fine, the truck itself however is built by "Mississippi's finest" and is hit or miss at best!) But when you mention presently owning a HD truck and looking to haul a 27ftr to FL in the future... as the old saying goes, "Buy the truck for your next boat, not your current one!" I'd recommend your staying with a HD truck. If you are burned out on the Furd then look at the Duramax or Cummins from the competition, either are stellar performers! In your "commercial use" example I'd always recommend staying HD.

OR perhaps you aren't married to a diesel? The Big 3 have legit gas motors available in their HDs, Ford has a new 7.3 pushrod gas burner coming and GM has a new 6.6 gasser coming as well. The mileage will suck but you can buy ALOT of gas with the $10k you'll save by not buying a diesel. With the overall costs of diesel engines, extra fuel expense, higher routine maintenance cost and the EPA ruining their advantage... Unless you are just pulling houses across country, the gap between diesels and big gassers isn't as great as it once was!
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Might not be a bad idea to look into a 3/4 ton gasser. Reliable and should tow whatever you want.

I will say, I have an f150 (with the 5.0) and when I ride in a buddy's F250 I am reminded why I wanted a 1/2 ton.
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Thanks for the reply. After owning an HD truck it's hard to go to a half ton again. I have been looking at the ram 2500 as well. Definitely want something with a warranty for sure. Anyone towed long distance with either of these vehicles?

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Do a search on the EB, based on what I have read on THT, the EB goes several 100k miles without issue, tows like a big diesel, gets the mileage of a Prius and performs like a Corvette!!
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Originally Posted by Reelinfeelin View Post
Thanks for the reply. After owning an HD truck it's hard to go to a half ton again. I have been looking at the ram 2500 as well. Definitely want something with a warranty for sure. Anyone towed long distance with either of these vehicles?
Definitely stay HD.

The only truck ive hauled cross country with as of now was a 2015 1 ton Duramax. Load was about 15,000lbs. Left here in Houston and ended in York, Pennsylvania. The truck did exceptionally well. There was never any point in those smokey mountain passes that i felt underpowered. It just chugged right on through the mountains like nothing.

One thing I LOVED that my personal truck doesn't have ('06 Duramax) is an exhaust brake. It was on 100% of the time since I left Houston. You could be going down a 7% grade, cruise on 70, don't even touch the brake. That exhaust brake kicks on and holds you at a constant speed. A Duramax with that Allison transmission is hard to beat when it comes to towing.
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Originally Posted by Reelinfeelin View Post
So my 20116.7 power stroke lariat is down for the count(engine issues). Been contemplating the next move as we have a boat rental business and our season is starting soon. Reliability is a must. The boats that we rent are skiffs and a 23 sea hunt center console. Our personal boat is a Robalo r242 center console that we tow on occasion. We will ove up to a 27 cc in the near future with the plan to to to Florida in our off season. Just wanted some feedback from the owners of these trucks. Thanks in advance for your feedback.
I own a 3.5 and I wouldn't want to tow a 27'CC with it.
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For your use I would definitely stay HD. Given Ford is the only one still using the CP4 pump, I would do either of the other two if you want to stay with diesel, or gas from any of the 3. Gas is nice in that it is simple and reliable. If the bulk of your towing is local and on secondary roads, that would be my choice. On the interstate there is no comparison though.
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Originally Posted by autobaun70 View Post
For your use I would definitely stay HD. Given Ford is the only one still using the CP4 pump, I would do either of the other two if you want to stay with diesel, or gas from any of the 3. Gas is nice in that it is simple and reliable. If the bulk of your towing is local and on secondary roads, that would be my choice. On the interstate there is no comparison though.
I do believe for 2019 Ram went back to a CP4...why on earth I will never know.
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Originally Posted by linesider 159 View Post
Might not be a bad idea to look into a 3/4 ton gasser. Reliable and should tow whatever you want.

I will say, I have an f150 (with the 5.0) and when I ride in a buddy's F250 I am reminded why I wanted a 1/2 ton.
That's funny because when I ride in my buddies 3/4 ton I am reminded why my next vehicle will be a 3/4 ton and not a 1/2 ton. The ride quality in modern 3/4 tons isn't THAT bad, come on.
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Originally Posted by Reelinfeelin View Post
Thanks for the reply. After owning an HD truck it's hard to go to a half ton again. I have been looking at the ram 2500 as well. Definitely want something with a warranty for sure. Anyone towed long distance with either of these vehicles?
What's long distance? I own a Nissan with the Cummins. I live in the Tampa Bay area and tow down to the Keys usually once a year. I used to tow the boat with a Tundra. The XD is so much more stable towing, that it's not even a good comparison. That drive with the Tundra used to be a 7 hour two-hand grip drive. Mileage also pretty much sucked the entire trip. I think I had to stop for fuel 3 times. XD was a much more relaxing drive. The engine wasn't screaming to stay in the power, transmission wasn't hunting, and I didn't feel the need to keep a death grip on the wheel. Had to fill up once during the trip. Both, however had the same size fuel tank.

That said, you really need to take a look at your typical drives. If most are pretty short, the Cummins is going to make you mad. Frequent short trips, especially frequent short towing trips will mean lots of regens. With the XD, the regens eat fuel. My best mileage is right around 22 mpg with mostly highway. 17-19 was more typical on the highway unloaded, 15 or so around town not including regen. When under a regen, mileage would drop to 7-8 mpg. If your drives are generally longer, then the Cummins may work better for you, as the DPF will have a chance to heat up and burn off soot under normal conditions.
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Personally, I don't really get the objections to the ride of a 3/4 ton... but I'm not driving a Ford either with it's solid axle front suspension. Been driving my 3/4 ton for 17 years and it rides fine. I did put 1200 miles on a brand new F150 rental a few years ago and while I was really impressed with the truck overall, I was not impressed with the ride all that much and really didn't think it drove any better than my ancient, well maintained 3/4 ton.

Never towed or even drove an eco boost F150 but figure from the numbers that it would do "OK" pulling a 27 footer, but doubt seriously I'd want to do it on a regular basis. Nor do I think that an F150 (or any 1/2 ton) would stand up to prolonged, heavy use in that manner.

Don't know much about the new Titans but also never really been a fan of Nissan either. That goes back to the 80s when I was a mechanic and the Nissans back then weren't half as good as a Toyota and were worse than American cars in many respects. May have changed over the years, I simply do not have the experience with them over the last 20 years to know.

By all accounts, the gas motors in all 3 brands of HD trucks are awesome, dependable motors. The one constant complaint I see is that all 3 are also gas pigs.
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Originally Posted by kernmw10 View Post
That's funny because when I ride in my buddies 3/4 ton I am reminded why my next vehicle will be a 3/4 ton and not a 1/2 ton. The ride quality in modern 3/4 tons isn't THAT bad, come on.
I didn't say it was unbearable, but it is certainly noticeable if you do a lot of unloaded driving on bumpy roads

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Gas vs Diesel: 2016 Nissan Titan XD Diesel vs 5.6L Gas Engine

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Originally Posted by MacCTD View Post
Do a search on the EB, based on what I have read on THT, the EB goes several 100k miles without issue, tows like a big diesel, gets the mileage of a Prius and performs like a Corvette!!
Finally someone that gets it.
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I have a R242 I tow with a F150 3.5 Eco. I would not want to give that truck any more boat. I am towing around 90 miles one way to the ramp. I’m considering a 3/4 ton truck. If I stay with a 1/2 ton it definitely needs rear suspension assistance.
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Like ive said before.. from what I read on here...eco boosts use sunshine for fuel and only emit unicorn farts

Originally Posted by MacCTD View Post
Do a search on the EB, based on what I have read on THT, the EB goes several 100k miles without issue, tows like a big diesel, gets the mileage of a Prius and performs like a Corvette!!
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I've got a 3.5 EB and while it's a great powertrain, I wouldn't use it if I was doing a lot of towing. Fine for me, mostly highway and hauling with the occasional tow. I'll be more of a believer when ford is willing to put the ecoboost in a 3/4 ton. The skeptic in me says there's a reason the ecoboost isn't in an HD even though it puts out more torque and only 10 less hp than the 6.2L V-8. My sister/BIL have a 2500 Chevy with the 6.0L and there isn't as much difference between it and mine (ride/power/mpg) as I would like there to be. Drive one and you might be surprised.
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JMO but I wouldn't even consider the Nissan.
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The 3.5 Ecoboost will pull a hell of a lot more than the rest of the truck is equipped to control and stop.

This is really what it comes down to - is the truck big enough to stop and control your load in an emergency stop situation?

If you have a boat rental company and if any of those boats and loads are greater than about 8000# or need to be towed any distance I would step up above a F150.

I towed a a heavy 24' bay boat with my Ecoboost with no issues....but if i did it everyday I feel I would wear out the other components on the truck way too fast.

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