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Old 01-15-2019, 07:33 AM
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I just bought the '18 3500 SB, CC, 4WD, 6.7/Aisin. 385/930. Sold the '07 2500, SB, CC, 2WD, 5.9/68RFE after 11 1/2 years. That truck got great mileage and was much more "nimble" to drive but had nowhere near the power and towing amenities this new one does. We'll see about the rust.
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Old 01-15-2019, 07:38 AM
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Originally Posted by mdman352 View Post
I am in the process of buying a 1 ton dually crewcab now...as in this week. I wanted a Ford (my current ride is Ford) but availability in the mid-Atlantic area is limp AND they want $80,000.00 for them. Chevrolets are much more prevalent, pricing is aggressive and makes choosing much easier. Dodge/Fiat was never a consideration because of the rust issues EVERY Dodge I see has...in this area.
My friend has a diesel shop and he has told me repeatedly that the pollution controls and DEF are KILLING these motors. He likens it to running a 10K race with your mouth covered.
BTW Chevy's GVW is 13,000# while Ford's is 14,000#. I know Dodge has bigger numbers.
This new purchase/adventure was a direct reaction to my liability from towing of boat trailers with trucks that are not equipped properly (legal) to be towing what they were attached to. My current F-250 is rated @ 10,000#. I think my boat is close to that without the trailer. I will also replace the hitch for a 20,000 rating unit. Accidents happen. I am not looking to add to the problem with other issues. Too old for that crap.
Dodges had rust issues, haven't seen any Rams that do yet.
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Old 01-15-2019, 07:53 AM
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Originally Posted by kawakx125 View Post
Dodges had rust issues, haven't seen any Rams that do yet.
Aren't Dodge's and Ram's the same thing? I guess they made Ram's kind of a stand alone name but it's the same engineers as before...

(not debating the rust comment... I have no idea about that).
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Old 01-15-2019, 08:09 AM
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Originally Posted by rcskywalker View Post
I’ve watched numerous YouTube vids on the unveiling yesterday but am left with a couple of questions:

1). Do the 2500’s get the new CGI block? I know they are reduced output but are they the old block or the new one?

2). What fuel pumps are they using? I saw where the HO gets a “new” pump but can’t find what that is and if the 2500 gets new pump as well.

3). 2500 with air suspension option? I’ve seen contradictory info.

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2500's come with coil springs instead of leaf springs. You can get rear are suspension in place of the coil springs. The 3500 uses leaf springs. You can get rear air suspension but it still has the leaf springs. The air is supplemental. At least I'm pretty sure that's how it is.
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Old 01-15-2019, 09:02 AM
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Originally Posted by ericinmich View Post
Aren't Dodge's and Ram's the same thing? I guess they made Ram's kind of a stand alone name but it's the same engineers as before...

(not debating the rust comment... I have no idea about that).
yes and no, technically RAM is its own brand now under FCA. Whatever happened in the splitting of brands and revamp of the company did wonders for Ram quality.
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Old 01-15-2019, 09:41 AM
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Originally Posted by mdman352 View Post
I am in the process of buying a 1 ton dually crewcab now...as in this week. I wanted a Ford (my current ride is Ford) but availability in the mid-Atlantic area is limp AND they want $80,000.00 for them. Chevrolets are much more prevalent, pricing is aggressive and makes choosing much easier. Dodge/Fiat was never a consideration because of the rust issues EVERY Dodge I see has...in this area.
My friend has a diesel shop and he has told me repeatedly that the pollution controls and DEF are KILLING these motors. He likens it to running a 10K race with your mouth covered.
BTW Chevy's GVW is 13,000# while Ford's is 14,000#. I know Dodge has bigger numbers.
This new purchase/adventure was a direct reaction to my liability from towing of boat trailers with trucks that are not equipped properly (legal) to be towing what they were attached to. My current F-250 is rated @ 10,000#. I think my boat is close to that without the trailer. I will also replace the hitch for a 20,000 rating unit. Accidents happen. I am not looking to add to the problem with other issues. Too old for that crap.

Get the Duramax. Don't even think twice.
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Old 01-15-2019, 09:48 AM
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These things are getting rediculous (and badass). There was a truck plowing my road sunday. It was a fairly new duramax and damn that thing purred like a kitten. By far the smoothest sounding diesel ive ever heard. They'e come a long way since my 7.3 powerstroke, that thing was a grumpy old bastard.
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Old 01-15-2019, 09:49 AM
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Originally Posted by buzz2401 View Post
Liked them better when they had 40% less torque and 50% better MPG. Not quite sure why a light duty truck needs more torque then a Diesel tractor of a decade ago had.
They did it because their competitors had already done it.
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Old 01-15-2019, 10:38 AM
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Originally Posted by kawakx125 View Post
yes and no, technically RAM is its own brand now under FCA. Whatever happened in the splitting of brands and revamp of the company did wonders for Ram quality.
The fact that ram is its own brand doesn't mean anything. They are better because Fiat invested more money into them and FCA continues to invest more money into them. Mercedes and Cerberus only cared about short term profit by cutting costs so they could make a quick buck and dump chrysler.
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Old 01-15-2019, 12:30 PM
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Originally Posted by kawakx125 View Post
Dodges had rust issues, haven't seen any Rams that do yet.
Geez,I would hope not.Rams have only been around after they rebadged them for a few yrs
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Old 01-15-2019, 12:49 PM
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Originally Posted by UWHunter View Post
Another amazing figure is a ~20000 Lb hitch towing capability on the 3500.
20,000 isnt that amazing, my 2018 Ford F450 is rated at that. I read that this is rated at 23,000lb bumper pull for a 3500 dually, which is pretty impressive
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Old 01-15-2019, 01:23 PM
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Originally Posted by foster6656 View Post

Geez,I would hope not.Rams have only been around after they rebadged them for a few yrs
since 2011
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Old 01-15-2019, 01:27 PM
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Originally Posted by kawakx125 View Post
yes and no, technically RAM is its own brand now under FCA. Whatever happened in the splitting of brands and revamp of the company did wonders for Ram quality.
The dirty secret is that there really aren't any Ram engineers, or Dodge engineers, just like there aren't any Buick, or Chevrolet, etc. They are FCA engineers working on full size trucks, or not, GM engineers working on a truck model/family, or a car model, etc. Their next assignment might be on a different vehicle family, etc. The only groups that work under the title Ram, and Chevrolet are the marketing folks, which spend money on advertising,etc. Engines are the same way, except for some low volume specialty programs.

Sure, if there is a feature that a Lincoln but no Fords, than an engineer will be working on that. But he may also have parts on other models including ones with Ford on the badge. There were pockets of engineers that were segregated at times, kind of an experiment to make a model unique, but I don't think that exists much in the NA automakers. Saturn comes to mind on this...
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Old 01-15-2019, 01:35 PM
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Originally Posted by mdman352 View Post
I am in the process of buying a 1 ton dually crewcab now...as in this week. I wanted a Ford (my current ride is Ford) but availability in the mid-Atlantic area is limp AND they want $80,000.00 for them. Chevrolets are much more prevalent, pricing is aggressive and makes choosing much easier. Dodge/Fiat was never a consideration because of the rust issues EVERY Dodge I see has...in this area.
My friend has a diesel shop and he has told me repeatedly that the pollution controls and DEF are KILLING these motors. He likens it to running a 10K race with your mouth covered.
BTW Chevy's GVW is 13,000# while Ford's is 14,000#. I know Dodge has bigger numbers.
This new purchase/adventure was a direct reaction to my liability from towing of boat trailers with trucks that are not equipped properly (legal) to be towing what they were attached to. My current F-250 is rated @ 10,000#. I think my boat is close to that without the trailer. I will also replace the hitch for a 20,000 rating unit. Accidents happen. I am not looking to add to the problem with other issues. Too old for that crap.
that is not your tow rating but your gvwr
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Old 01-15-2019, 01:56 PM
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Originally Posted by ericinmich View Post
The dirty secret is that there really aren't any Ram engineers, or Dodge engineers, just like there aren't any Buick, or Chevrolet, etc. They are FCA engineers working on full size trucks, or not, GM engineers working on a truck model/family, or a car model, etc. Their next assignment might be on a different vehicle family, etc. The only groups that work under the title Ram, and Chevrolet are the marketing folks, which spend money on advertising,etc. Engines are the same way, except for some low volume specialty programs.

Sure, if there is a feature that a Lincoln but no Fords, than an engineer will be working on that. But he may also have parts on other models including ones with Ford on the badge. There were pockets of engineers that were segregated at times, kind of an experiment to make a model unique, but I don't think that exists much in the NA automakers. Saturn comes to mind on this...
I don't know about today, but at Chrysler pre daimler, engineers were in teams. You'd have jeep + truck, minivan, large cars, small cars, powertrain, steering/suspension etc.
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Old 01-16-2019, 11:15 AM
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I love when people complain about new diesel tech as if there's some reason they can't just keep driving their old 5.9, 7.3 or whatever you feel like. But you'll be producing less power and burning more fuel and making a whole lot more noise. The technology will push forward without you.
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Originally Posted by Elgreco809 View Post
I don't know about today, but at Chrysler pre daimler, engineers were in teams. You'd have jeep + truck, minivan, large cars, small cars, powertrain, steering/suspension etc.
Correct, it's probably the same in most OEMs. And project to project they move to different vehicle families. My point was that nobody gets hired into the "Ram" engineering group for their career....
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Old 01-16-2019, 01:12 PM
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I love when people complain about new diesel tech as if there's some reason they can't just keep driving their old 5.9, 7.3 or whatever you feel like. But you'll be producing less power and burning more fuel and making a whole lot more noise. The technology will push forward without you.
I agree with this. I had an old 7.3 F250 for a while and I just picked up a 2019 F250 with the 6.7. I can't believe the difference in the two motors. The old 7.3 was reliable, but I can't believe how quiet the and powerful the new 6.7L is. It does look like Ram is simply trying to one up Ford by getting over 1,000 ft/lbs. Going from 950 to 1000 isn't really going to make too much of a noticeable difference.
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Old 01-16-2019, 05:05 PM
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Originally Posted by mdman352 View Post
I am in the process of buying a 1 ton dually crewcab now...as in this week. I wanted a Ford (my current ride is Ford) but availability in the mid-Atlantic area is limp AND they want $80,000.00 for them. Chevrolets are much more prevalent, pricing is aggressive and makes choosing much easier. Dodge/Fiat was never a consideration because of the rust issues EVERY Dodge I see has...in this area.
My friend has a diesel shop and he has told me repeatedly that the pollution controls and DEF are KILLING these motors. He likens it to running a 10K race with your mouth covered.
BTW Chevy's GVW is 13,000# while Ford's is 14,000#. I know Dodge has bigger numbers.
This new purchase/adventure was a direct reaction to my liability from towing of boat trailers with trucks that are not equipped properly (legal) to be towing what they were attached to. My current F-250 is rated @ 10,000#. I think my boat is close to that without the trailer. I will also replace the hitch for a 20,000 rating unit. Accidents happen. I am not looking to add to the problem with other issues. Too old for that crap.
I drive a dually every day at work. I would not want to drive one every day as a personal vehicle. You don't need a dually unless you are towing something bigger than the boat in your signature. A SRW 1-ton is more than adequate and easier to live with.

Also, the 10,000lb figure for your truck is the GVWR. Your trailer tow rating is likely 12,500lbs. But, tow rating aside, the important ratings are the GVWR, the GCWR and GAWR. If you aren't exceeding those ratings, you are fine from a legal perspective. The DOT doesn't care about manufacture tow ratings, that's why cajunflynn can bumper pull such huge boats and still be perfectly legal.
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Old 01-16-2019, 05:12 PM
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Originally Posted by rcskywalker View Post
I’ve watched numerous YouTube vids on the unveiling yesterday but am left with a couple of questions:

1). Do the 2500’s get the new CGI block? I know they are reduced output but are they the old block or the new one?

2). What fuel pumps are they using? I saw where the HO gets a “new” pump but can’t find what that is and if the 2500 gets new pump as well.

3). 2500 with air suspension option? I’ve seen contradictory info.

Thanks
Just saw a Cummins rep say the new HO engine has a Bosche CP4.2 fuel pump. I dont know what improvements that incorporates over the time bomb CP4.
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