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Old 12-06-2018, 09:56 AM
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Hi this is DTs wife and I really wish...

kidding, kidding. I want the front end of my 2016 Chevy hd 6.0 to be level. It's driving me nuts. I've been all over the truck forums and there doesn't seem to be a consensus. Guess it won't be any different here but I'll try. Truck drives great now, and I want it to continue to drive great. That's priority one. Priority two is getting front end up 1.5-2".

option one- crank the keys myself, gain 1.25", get an alignment. $200

option two- have shop add aftermarket keys, gain 1.5" or so, get an alignment. $500. Leaning in this direction.

option three- have shop put 5" lift and alignment, gain 3" plus, $3000

i don't really want the sky high lift look, and honestly 3" may be too much. Currently running 295/70/17 with no rubbing and if I lift it I'll definitely want bigger tires. And if I get tires I may as well get rims. So add 2500$ to that 3k.

I pull heavy once in a while, but very rarely off-road, this is pure aesthetics. Cost is a factor. Coming out of a lifted 08 tundra that rode like shit. I love how current truck runs, don't want to lose that. Average mpg over 26k miles is 11.5, not super concerned with mpg but don't want to be single digits either.
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That's what she said.
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For Christs sake- I would push a school bus full of kids off the road for 2 more inches.
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Old 12-06-2018, 12:52 PM
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If you want your truck to be level, use it as a truck and pull a trailer with it. Or put a load of gravel in the back. Everything else just says that a mini van would work better for you.
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If you can crank it enough to get it level. It will ride like shit. No way around it. Been there, done that. I think people want their truck to be level and ride good at the same time so bad they convince there self it doesn't ride bad. After market keys do nothing but allow to to crank it even more and make it ride like shit even more. It's basic geometry.

I don't remember what size blocks are on the rear axles of those trucks. Say you have 2" of rake in the truck now with 2" blocks in the back. You could change those to 1.5" block and crank the keys half an 1" to 1" and be pretty close without sacrificing to much ride. Get over an inch and the ride goes to shit.
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I tend to agree with that. Add in the E rated tires and crap ranchos shocks, and it'll ride worse the longer its like that.

I never thought about lowering the back with my 2500, but kind of wish I would have.

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If you can crank it enough to get it level. It will ride like shit. No way around it. Been there, done that. I think people want their truck to be level and ride good at the same time so bad they convince there self it doesn't ride bad. After market keys do nothing but allow to to crank it even more and make it ride like shit even more. It's basic geometry.

I don't remember what size blocks are on the rear axles of those trucks. Say you have 2" of rake in the truck now with 2" blocks in the back. You could change those to 1.5" block and crank the keys half an 1" to 1" and be pretty close without sacrificing to much ride. Get over an inch and the ride goes to shit.
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Its alright, my friend's wife told me the same thing
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Originally Posted by joshd472 View Post
If you can crank it enough to get it level. It will ride like shit. No way around it. Been there, done that. I think people want their truck to be level and ride good at the same time so bad they convince there self it doesn't ride bad. After market keys do nothing but allow to to crank it even more and make it ride like shit even more. It's basic geometry.

I don't remember what size blocks are on the rear axles of those trucks. Say you have 2" of rake in the truck now with 2" blocks in the back. You could change those to 1.5" block and crank the keys half an 1" to 1" and be pretty close without sacrificing to much ride. Get over an inch and the ride goes to shit.
That's pretty much along the lines of what I know as well.
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Thanks guys. I'm in agreement for the most part that cranking the existing keys will make it ride poor.y.
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Originally Posted by joshd472 View Post
If you can crank it enough to get it level. It will ride like shit. No way around it. Been there, done that. I think people want their truck to be level and ride good at the same time so bad they convince there self it doesn't ride bad. After market keys do nothing but allow to to crank it even more and make it ride like shit even more. It's basic geometry.

I don't remember what size blocks are on the rear axles of those trucks. Say you have 2" of rake in the truck now with 2" blocks in the back. You could change those to 1.5" block and crank the keys half an 1" to 1" and be pretty close without sacrificing to much ride. Get over an inch and the ride goes to shit.

Absolutely correct. Cranking on the torsion bars does nothing but pre-load the bars some more - which will make it ride rougher and harsher. Think of it as adding heavier / stiffer springs. If you MUST level, that's prolly THE worst way to do it as far as ride goes.
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Thanks guys. I'm in agreement for the most part that cranking the existing keys will make it ride poor.y.
After market keys are not any better. Just for reference this is my old truck with stock height (maybe 1/2” lower) in the front with the blocks removed in the rear. Cleared 33x12.5 no problem.
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Originally Posted by joshd472 View Post


After market keys are not any better. Just for reference this is my old truck with stock height (maybe 1/2” lower) in the front with the blocks removed in the rear. Cleared 33x12.5 no problem.

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theres a reason trucks have a rake to them
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Always level my trucks; replace the stock shocks and replace the tires with 35X12.50's and do not have the problems and complaints I see all of the time on here.
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option three- have shop put 5" lift and alignment, gain 3" plus, $3000



this is the only way to do it and maintain ride quality. you can have a 5" lift dropped to 2" If I remember correctly..... it may be 3". either way doing anything to the torsion bars is gonna result in shitty ride quality whether it's stock or aftermarket keys. I vote leave it alone
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Zone Level, Stock 20's, 295 55 r20 Toyo's

Ride is virtually the same as stock and tows the same.

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Option 2 and bigger and more aggressive tires. Enjoy it, I miss my 3/4 ton 6.0L every now and again.
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Originally Posted by Wabostyle View Post
Zone Level, Stock 20's, 295 55 r20 Toyo's

Ride is virtually the same as stock and tows the same.


Looks perfect.
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Originally Posted by Wabostyle View Post
Zone Level, Stock 20's, 295 55 r20 Toyo's

Ride is virtually the same as stock and tows the same.

So all you did was put on bigger tires?

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I'd like to LOWER my rear end on my truck. Sure, it's sits level now with a load, but I don't carry/haul that much anymore. I'll live with the trade-off.
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