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2020 GM HD - not near as bad as the 1500

Old 01-06-2019, 09:54 AM
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Originally Posted by chainsaw42 View Post
don't feed the trolls. you were pretty clear and objective about why you were looking at what you're looking at. just let 'em fart in the wind.

Oh, he gets all riled up at me because I've called out Ford on some of their stupider moves over the years like twin I beam and aluminum truck beds. He retired from Ford as an engineers and obviously feels some loyalty there.

And I'll freely admit that I've bought and owned more GM vehicles than any other brand. Part of that is because I do a lot of my own repairs and maintenance and I grew up owning and working on GM vehicles so I just know the way "they do things" better than other brands and that makes it easier for me to work on them. But that doesn't stop me from seeing or commenting on some of the really stupid crap they do too.
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Old 01-06-2019, 09:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Rio View Post
I thought the 3500 srw was only available with the 8’ bed

Used to be that way but they started offering the 6' bed on SRW 3500s maybe 5 years ago.
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Old 01-06-2019, 11:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Back-in-Black View Post




Well then maybe you can help me find what I'm looking for 'cause I've "tricked" the GM site into letting me see what's all over the south east by putting other zipcodes into the search, but still have not found what I'm looking for. I've also had a fleet guy looking.

What I'm looking for:
White
3500 SRW
Crew cab
6' bed
2 WD
LT (basic package)
Duramax.
factory installed g/n hitch would be a plus but that can be added aftermarket.

Will be towing 40' enclosed g/n trailer all over the country. As much as 14,000 lbs and also a crew of 2-4 guys. This is why 3500 and SRW is because they will be using the truck for transportation to and from work site / hotel / meals and such and a DRW / long bed is just too unwieldy for guys who normally drive cars and small trucks.

Most of what I'm finding is 4 x 4 work trucks with 8' beds and LTZs and High Country models with $70k stickers. What I'm looking for should sticker around $56.

pic of one of the trailers above.
2WDs are custom order up here. My dad only buys 2wd 3/4 tons and always has to custom order.
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Old 01-06-2019, 11:55 AM
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Originally Posted by likwid View Post
2WDs are custom order up here. My dad only buys 2wd 3/4 tons and always has to custom order.
4 WD are VERY common here as well and looking at inventory, more common that 2 WD - even in WT trim. But it just doesn't make any sense to buy 4 WD, pay more for insurance, worse mpg and more repairs and maintenance for a truck that will see 99.9% of it's use on paved roads and highways. They WILL see gravel roads quite often at work sites but most of them will be more like gravel driveways in truth.
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Old 01-06-2019, 12:13 PM
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I realize my GM guy's expertise is on the manufacturing (plant) side of the business, not design. The HD 10spd will be built in a GM plant. I do not know if Allison or GM designed it. I am sure it will be an excellent product and big news for HD buyers. Puts pressure on the others to do something to stay competitive.
BIB, no disrespect meant. You have huge experience with HDs, that I certainly do not. Good luck in your search.
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Old 01-06-2019, 01:25 PM
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No hard feelings and I VERY well understand that every brand out there has strong and weak points and I also understand many years working at Ford brings in a tie that most don't have or will never understand.

I've never been a "politically correct" type person on any subject and I often upset folks by calling them like I see them with no padding or niceties. Reminds me of a family get-together with the in-laws about 30 years ago. Wife's brother was married to some ding bat, crazy "woman" who was espousing things like ditch diggers should get paid just as much as doctors and other stupid, socialistic ideas. Got tired of hearing it and told her that she should just go ahead and move to Russia (30 years ago) if she thought that it was such a great system. This with about 15-20 members of the in-laws extended family in the room. Many that I did not know at all and others not very well. Dead silence for about 30 seconds and the subject of conversation was conveniently changed. Got all kinds of slaps on the back later but the shock on their faces at the time was absolutely priceless. . Anyway, just how I am. I don't have to work hard at it.

And I'm not so sure that the new 10 speed will be great from day 1. GM has a BAD habit of not doing enough testing before releasing new products - the crappy injectors on my truck are the perfect example of that - and between the brand new body and chassis and a new transmission, I'm growing more and more convinced that waiting for a '21 may be the wise thing to do for my personal truck. The ones discussed in this thread are for business use only.
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Old 01-07-2019, 04:13 AM
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Originally Posted by crothers View Post
I realize my GM guy's expertise is on the manufacturing (plant) side of the business, not design. The HD 10spd will be built in a GM plant. I do not know if Allison or GM designed it. I am sure it will be an excellent product and big news for HD buyers. Puts pressure on the others to do something to stay competitive.
BIB, no disrespect meant. You have huge experience with HDs, that I certainly do not. Good luck in your search.
The transmission was designed by GM with assistance/expertise from Allison. Testing was done on Allison duty schedules for transmissions.
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Old 01-07-2019, 04:55 AM
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I heard the design team was Ray Charles, Stevie Wonder and Helen Keller. Any truth to this?
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Old 01-07-2019, 06:04 AM
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Curious why you are ruling out Ford & Ram for the 4x2 application? I completely agree regarding IFS, but in 4x2 it's IFS across the board is it not?
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Old 01-07-2019, 12:15 PM
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Originally Posted by autobaun70 View Post
Curious why you are ruling out Ford & Ram for the 4x2 application? I completely agree regarding IFS, but in 4x2 it's IFS across the board is it not?

Haven't ruled either out. GM was first choice because the company had bought several Dodge service trucks 6-7 years back. 1/2 ton, single cab, V-6, strippy. All 3 of them were junk and had enormous amounts of failures and breakdowns and such. He's had pretty good luck with GM service trucks - far from perfect but way better than the Dodge. He has a pretty bad taste in his mouth still on Dodge. He'd probably do Ford if push came to shove but I think it would have to be a pretty hard shove. He's not a Ford fan. All that said, Dodge is a real possibility if he can't get what we need in GM. It would be CTD. Not really my call, I just got stuck chasing them down.
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Originally Posted by Back-in-Black View Post
Haven't ruled either out. GM was first choice because the company had bought several Dodge service trucks 6-7 years back. 1/2 ton, single cab, V-6, strippy. All 3 of them were junk and had enormous amounts of failures and breakdowns and such. He's had pretty good luck with GM service trucks - far from perfect but way better than the Dodge. He has a pretty bad taste in his mouth still on Dodge. He'd probably do Ford if push came to shove but I think it would have to be a pretty hard shove. He's not a Ford fan. All that said, Dodge is a real possibility if he can't get what we need in GM. It would be CTD. Not really my call, I just got stuck chasing them down.
Just my opinion, but I think all of the base V6 drivetrains are junk. That probably do OK if you drive them around empty or for something like an extermination company, but for any type of work, junk. Dodge probably at the bottom of the heap in that regard, but hardly comparable to their heavier drive trains.
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Old 01-07-2019, 01:29 PM
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7 years ago puts those at likely the 3.7l v6 and a 4 speed auto, poor performers that had to be driven to the max just to get around town. Drivetrain wise they were basically mid 90s era trucks, and it wasn't even a great engine/trans in smaller vehicles. Everyone has had some dogs, and those were just cheap stop-gap measures before the pentastar engines got introduced. Once again thank Daimler for setting Chrysler N/A back 5+ years.
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Old 01-07-2019, 02:28 PM
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Originally Posted by stowaway View Post
7 years ago puts those at likely the 3.7l v6 and a 4 speed auto, poor performers that had to be driven to the max just to get around town. Drivetrain wise they were basically mid 90s era trucks, and it wasn't even a great engine/trans in smaller vehicles. Everyone has had some dogs, and those were just cheap stop-gap measures before the pentastar engines got introduced. Once again thank Daimler for setting Chrysler N/A back 5+ years.

Like I said, not my decision. I was consulted about what exactly to buy to do the job i.e. 3/4 ton, vs. 1 ton. gas vs. diesel, initial cost vs. resale, etc.- the brand decision was made by him and we have discussed Dodge as option 2 since we're having a hard time finding GM.
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Originally Posted by CheddarMan View Post
ROFL They have to add up the sales of mid, full-size, HD, and from 2 manufactures to claim that.

Here you go buddy. Third party source:
https://www.businessinsider.com/best...america-2018-32. Chevrolet Silverado: 585,864

1. Ford F-Series: 896,764

Do you see what GM has to do to "claim" that statement? They need to add the numbers from Canyon, Colorado, Silverado, Sierra, and HD models.

Apparently you'll believe anything you read online. I guess you must believe the "real people" Chevy commercials too.
Ford does the same, it says f series. That is all f series alll the way up to the 750's!
No one considers a 550 a pickup truck, but Ford adds them in to the mix when they report the numbers
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Old 01-09-2019, 02:29 PM
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That's more better.

More pictures in the article: 2020 Silverado HD High Country: Live Photo Gallery | GM Authority

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Hate the tow mirrors. The hinge point looks terrible. They should have just matched the current design to fit. The new wheels on the other hand are nice.
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I'm kind of so-so on the mirrors. I think they were trying minimize the line-of-sight blockage and maybe some aero? Looks like the may be power extending and power fold?
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Originally Posted by Back-in-Black View Post
That's more better.

More pictures in the article: 2020 Silverado HD High Country: Live Photo Gallery GM Authority

Nope....still ugly
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High Country?

Hate it.

Too towny. That truck to me, screams "dumbass city slicker".

Side steps stick out too far from truck. Will get ripped off when using the truck as a truck.
Weird old man or fat guy step at front of bed. Same deal....prtrusion will get caught on tree trunks or whatever offroad. Dumb.
Same for the old guy/ fat guy step on rear of bed.
Mirrors are garish.
Chrome is too much and the grill is beyond kooky.
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Originally Posted by Vantaredoc View Post

Nope....still ugly
GM needs to sit down with a ford engineer to help redesign their styling
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