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Old 09-11-2018, 12:35 PM
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What are the advantages/disadvantages, weight ratings, which would you use on a boat trailer and why.

I have a friend that wants to move his boat out of the marina during the off season, boat is custom built express 34X12.6 with a dry weight of 19,000 lbs, he owns a F550 work truck and would have an aluminum trailer made for the boat.
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As far as a 5th/GN boat trailer, many folks say don't do it. I don't know why. I have a 5th camper and have pulled numerous 5th, GN and bumper pull trailers of all kinds, sizes and weights and the GN / 5th trailers pull sooooooooooo much better. Staying tuned on this thread because I want someone to spell out why not to do 5th / GN on a boat trailer. As far as the diff between 5th and GN, 5th is going to give you a smoother pull / ride over a GN. Other than that, not much difference in my experience. also, the 5th is marginally easier to hook / unhook from the truck. You don't have to climb into the truck bed at all with 5th for one thing.
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Nearly all utility, horse, farm type trailers are going to be goosneck. It allows much better articulation and you can "jack-knife" it past 90degrees when turning.

I've seen a few gooseneck boat trailers, but I don't think I've ever seen a 5th wheel boat trailer.
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Reasoning against them for boat trailers Iíve always seen is transition angle for ramps. Also Cajflyn always mentions the lack of need for heavy tongue weight for such. I think the angle issue could be easily overcome for most situations by running a flat/westernized bed and/or a tall trailer tongue. Several of the bigger Freemanís that Iíve seen are riding in goosenecks behind SRW/Dually 3500ís. Looks like a good setup.

Saw what appeared to be a 32í - 35í express rolling up I26 yesterday behind a SRW Cummins Ram, and it was chugging along in the right lane and riding on a pintle hook trailer.

I've towed with a gooseneck deck over a good bit, and like that it doesnít eat up the entire bed like a 5th wheel does. Advantages for both though.
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Originally Posted by Reel 007 View Post
What are the advantages/disadvantages, weight ratings, which would you use on a boat trailer and why.

I have a friend that wants to move his boat out of the marina during the off season, boat is custom built express 34X12.6 with a dry weight of 19,000 lbs, he owns a F550 work truck and would have an aluminum trailer made for the boat.
Back when I hauled for a living, I was particularly fond of my drop deck gooseneck trailers. Hauled everything from horses, mules, hay and occasionally a boat or three. It had a custom cradle to accommodate forty foot boats. The F550 is perfect to pull that boat.
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Old 09-11-2018, 03:31 PM
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A 5th wheel places weight perfectly, at that size would you have it lifted with cradle rather than launching-retrieving?
Caij says tongue tracks narrower so turn doesn't have to be as wide.
5th allows jacking, tongue doesn't!
Simplified version but I'm sticking to it!
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You guys aren't quoting me very well. I am not a fan of gn boat trailers. Why? Because gn trailers are meant to have lots of tongue weight on them which boat trailers don't have. You lose your bed. They are 8' longer and they cost more. If you are pulling 30k plus pounds you may need one, if not, you don't.

I don't need to jacknife my trailer. Not sure why anyone else would. The bumper pull also follows you around the corner instead of cutting it off. This means you don't have to take as wide of a turn.
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Ok, that all makes sense. I guess I'd have to try a GN boat trailer on the tongue weight thing. I've pulled some pretty heavy, empty, flat bed GN trailers and they still pulled better than any bumper-pull trailer I've ever pulled.
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Originally Posted by Back-in-Black View Post
Ok, that all makes sense. I guess I'd have to try a GN boat trailer on the tongue weight thing. I've pulled some pretty heavy, empty, flat bed GN trailers and they still pulled better than any bumper-pull trailer I've ever pulled.
I agree with you that they pull very smoothly. I just don't think sacrificing bed space, parking space, and ease of use is worth it.
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I like 5th wheel weight!
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You need it. You have 8 tires in the back and a very stout suspension. Without that weight, itís a rough ride.

A oickup doesn't have the suspension you have unless itís a 5500 or more. Thereís no need to smash down the suspension on a 2500 with 8k lbs on the go.
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I have only towed Gooseneck, and on the ball. I definitely like gooseneck better. I have not tried 5th wheel...
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Originally Posted by cajflynn View Post
You need it. You have 8 tires in the back and a very stout suspension. Without that weight, itís a rough ride.

A oickup doesn't have the suspension you have unless itís a 5500 or more. Thereís no need to smash down the suspension on a 2500 with 8k lbs on the go.
I was just having some fun although I have never pulled a gooseneck, strictly 5th wheel!

Your real life pulling of boats with bumper pull trailers makes sense concerning tracking is much better and tongue weight is lighter, that's something I'll have to adjust to in a few years!

I definitely know weight distribution and 12, 34, 34 is perfect!
Now 9 on the steers and 7500 on rears is off balance, slides out real easy

Pulling my 3500lb Bmt is different for me, but getting better!
Drive safe all, always drive as if you have nonexistent brakes,
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Originally Posted by bluewaterposer View Post
I was just having some fun although I have never pulled a gooseneck, strictly 5th wheel!

Your real life pulling of boats with bumper pull trailers makes sense concerning tracking is much better and tongue weight is lighter, that's something I'll have to adjust to in a few years!

I definitely know weight distribution and 12, 34, 34 is perfect!
Now 9 on the steers and 7500 on rears is off balance, slides out real easy

Pulling my 3500lb Bmt is different for me, but getting better!
Drive safe all, always drive as if you have nonexistent brakes,

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Funny you mention that. My FIL drove OTR for years. All van work, with one period of hauling pulpwood chips. He can back a big trailer with no issue. Can't back the trailer for my 20' boat to save his life. I learned to back trailers on the farm, and have backed semi's many times. Not difficult in the least, once you figure out how far you have to swing the nose to get the action you want.
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I can make a bumper pull trailer dance in reverse. Iím nowhere near as good with a gn.
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5th wheel or bumper pull?
Me today!
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That's a stinger.
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Is that in the Port? I hate going to the Port.
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Originally Posted by cajflynn View Post
Is that in the Port? I hate going to the Port.
No. Medley, where all the empty containers are that we purchase for rental units, we have 300 +.
4 hours added to my day, all overtime!
Marinas beat any port, although I have a TWIC.
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I have a TWIC, a Jaxport badge, a ga ports authority badge. I hate them all. Marina's are often much better.

This is what my day looked like:

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