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Looking to get a new tow rig for a 36' Invincible and 40' LQ horse trailer. Started looking at the 450 due mostly to the heavy service front end and the increased turning radius it supposedly has. Dose anyone on here have 1st hand experience with a 450? Have any thoughts on in that turning radius is really worth the harsher ride from the 19.5 truck tries...or if i s better than a 350.

I curremt have a lifted 2011 Sierra Denali that I love but it's just too cumbersome in tight places with the big trailers. Looking for stability and maneuverability over anything else.

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Just a heads up. All my buds who went over 1 ton had to get commercial insurance.
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I have no personal experience but go to YouTube and look up “Big Truck Big RV” He reviews trucks and campers. He had a F450 but traded it for a newer F350 but within a month or so already traded it in for another F450. He goes into depth on his reasons.
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Originally Posted by Motorboater1983 View Post
I have no personal experience but go to YouTube and look up “Big Truck Big RV” He reviews trucks and campers. He had a F450 but traded it for a newer F350 but within a month or so already traded it in for another F450. He goes into depth on his reasons.
His videos are pretty good for truck stuff specifically the big f trucks and I remember following along that process. Would recommend watching as well!
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Will definitely checkout the videos today, its a big jump for me to change brands but I need to get something this year so can't wait for the 2020 GMCs plus... there isn't a good tuner/delete program for the L5P.

I've already checked with State Farm and the 450 is a private policy so nothing special there unless we're missing something. I even told her that I would be pretty close to 21,000 with the horse trailer and truck combined.
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Check out and search Ford Truck Enthusiasts Tons of information there
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I drove the 350 and 450 a lot at my old job. I would get the 450 if for no other reason than the decreased turning radius. The 450 can turn around in an amazingly small distance.
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Very simple, if your budget can afford it bigger is better. F-350 will handle your loads just fine, the 450 just plain handle them.
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I have a 17 F450 and have had earlier model 450's .The truck definitely has a stiffer ride and you can really feel it on rough highways but the extra stability when towing heavy is worth the trade off. 19.5 tires are hard to get balanced, so the car like ride is almost unobtainable. Turning radius is a big plus when you consider how long the trucks are. State Farm was the only company I could find that would insure under a non commercial policy. Gear ratio is usually lower on the 450's but doesn't drastically affect drivability or mileage. I pull a Fountain 34CC, a heavy toy hauler and occasionally a heavy work trailer. So the 450 was the way to go for me.
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Originally Posted by 1cruiser View Post
I have a 17 F450 and have had earlier model 450's .The truck definitely has a stiffer ride and you can really feel it on rough highways but the extra stability when towing heavy is worth the trade off. 19.5 tires are hard to get balanced, so the car like ride is almost unobtainable. Turning radius is a big plus when you consider how long the trucks are. State Farm was the only company I could find that would insure under a non commercial policy. Gear ratio is usually lower on the 450's but doesn't drastically affect drivability or mileage. I pull a Fountain 34CC, a heavy toy hauler and occasionally a heavy work trailer. So the 450 was the way to go for me.
I balance 19.5 tires all the time at my shop I just put a set of 225/70/19.5 toyo m608 on the rear and m143 on the front of my customers 2008 king ranch the truck drives really smooth you also have to have the correct adapters most tire shops don't have them ford f-450 and f-550 have a big center bore on the wheel.And that equal crap they put in the 19.5 tires never works buddy of mine does big trucks and equipment tires he has put that stuff in 19.5 tires and has to go back to take it out because it shakes so bad.And that is good to know state farm will insure a f-450 because I was looking at buying one a 2018 f-450 cab and chassis with a cm tm deluxe 11ft body I have state farm now so when I get my f-450 I can have them insure it what do you pay a month for the f-450 you have.If you have to buy new 19.5 tires and don't want to break the bank the sumitom st718 and st918 are great tires that's what was on my customers kingranch I would of put them back on just could not get them for some reason they are made in japan just like the toyo tires are.
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If you are looking for a new 450, you'll probably need to order one to get it the way you want, they have been pretty scarce all year, I tried to locate on for a customer a few weeks ago and he wanted black, I found 1 within 600 miles of Atlanta. Lot's of different ways to equip them too, I ordered one for stock the other day, MSRP was right at $90K
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Originally Posted by N747JB View Post
If you are looking for a new 450, you'll probably need to order one to get it the way you want, they have been pretty scarce all year, I tried to locate on for a customer a few weeks ago and he wanted black, I found 1 within 600 miles of Atlanta. Lot's of different ways to equip them too, I ordered one for stock the other day, MSRP was right at $90K
Guy at local ford dealer told me they have a frame shortage at the factory I guess their frame supplier can't get them frames fast enough and that's why the trucks are hard to come by
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You’re going from a GMC Denali to a Ford? Doesn’t matter how its equipped and how much it can tow, you wont be happy.....
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Just buy a 3500 ram and save 30 grand and avoid fords horrible customer service
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Ford 450 does have great turning radius. Ride will be stiffer.
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I purchased an F450 in December to do double duty as my tow vehicle and my daily driver. I have absolutely no regrets. The cab is very spacious, the power is great, and the tight turning radius makes it so much easier to maneuver than my old F350. Yes, the tires and suspension are stiff, but I don't think it could do its job if the suspension and tires were soft.

The most I've towed is 15k on the bumper, so I really haven't taken its capacity out for a spin yet. However, I can tell you that it seems like a very solid towing platform with excellent brakes and plenty of power.

BTW, it has a 3" receiver hitch. So, unless you want to keep up with adapter sleeves (that come with it), plan on retiring your old hitch collection. Fortunately, B&W makes an excellent adjustable hitch for the receiver that has the same max capacity (21,000 lbs) as the bumper pull capacity of the F450.
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great feedback guys, thank you!! You know personally I think the Ford is a bit more plush than my Denali, the Limited interior was super nice, I could definitely see me making the run from St. Augustine to Venice or up to NC in it.

Sounds like there is at least one dealer on here... do you know if you can get A Plan pricing on the 450?
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Why not look at an F150 with the 3.5 ecoboost? Ford says they can tow anything and everything........
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I think the Denali has a great interior. The Ford 450 may be the truck you need. The F 350 is not as good as the Denali you have now, IMHO.
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