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Old 09-01-2018, 03:20 PM
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I have the same exact truck and pull 10,15k tag along equipment trailers on a weekly basis. I could certianly afford a new one and have newer trucks for my employees, but this is my daily driver. It never breaks down, handles great, gets pretty good mileage considering what is does. I am not a maintenance freak, and I lean on my tools and equipment pretty hard. I have seen many trucks come and go, but this year and model is certainly one of the best ever produced by GM
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Old 09-01-2018, 03:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Dave in Pa View Post
One comment I will make is what a friend said when we were talking about his F350 Dually. He said "would you rather have two tires in the rear in contact with the road with an imprint not much bigger than your hand, or four"? He was pulling a five horse gooseneck trailer at the time. Never forgot that statement! Dave
No doubt a dually would be better suited, but it is certainly not necessary for this application.
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Thank y'all very much for your honest answers and cooperation with me. I'm not the dude on here asking if his f150 will pull 15,000lbs lol, just wanted some honest input and i got it! Thanks again!

Im going to see about taking the 3500. Obviously like stated, choosing between the two is a no brainer.... I'd really rather take my truck, but I think the 3500 is a better choice. To be completely honest y'all, I've neve hauled a gooseneck before nor towed cross country. I just feel that I'd be better off with the extra truck. Just wanted to know y'all's thoughts. 3500 it is!
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The one thing is to look at what the hitch/ tongue weight is over the axeles that is one of the big factors if you are legal. You all ways see 2500 250s towing big fifth wheels but im willing to bet if you looked at their hitch weights a lot of them would be illegal. Just food for thought...you are doing the right thing with the 3500..pa can be a bitch with the hills there if you have a egt gauge on the truck keep a close eye on it i tow threw pa all the time with a 15500 lb camper on a goose neckequiped 07 3500 drw.fill up before you get into pa too because they are outrageous for diesel fuel. .
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Old 09-01-2018, 05:16 PM
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Originally Posted by BottomPicker View Post
Tell your attorney, after you had an accident, that you asked opinions on THT to find if what legal and safe to tow 16,000 lbs with a 12-yr old 2500HD. I'd like to be there. If I were the plaintiffs attorney, I'd be licking my chops, and hoping you had a lot of assets I could get at. Just sayin'.
so would he be better off doing it with a rav or a prius?

I say take the others advice on preparing and let her roll.
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Old 09-01-2018, 05:50 PM
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Originally Posted by ed d View Post
My mistake , points still about the same - older 3/4 v newer 1 ton on a multi state towing trip .
in 2013 I used my 2002 2500 to tow campers around the country. It was sort of an extended vacation for me. Tow a camper here - go see the sights. Went all over the country, saw all kinds of stuff. Did it for 3 months. Put 30,000 miles on the truck in those 3 months. When I started the endeavor the truck had 275,000 miles on it and was 11 years old. Never towed 16,000 lbs but towed 12-13k several times. Towed a 13k 5ther from Indiana to SLC, Utah -1500 miles thru Chicago, Montana, etc. Truck did fine. Had 2 problems that whole time. Developed a coolant leak in Iowa - drove back to Indiana, picked up an 11k 5ther, towed it back to house in LA, fixed the problem (oil cooler gasket) and towed the trailer another ~100 miles for delivery. Had a blow-out in Nebraska on left front on the way back from Yellowstone. Tires were in good shape, just had a belt shift or something I guess.

Point is, it can be done with an older truck no problem. Myself, I'd go for the 3500 with the exhaust brake though..
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Old 09-01-2018, 06:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Boilerpig View Post
The one thing is to look at what the hitch/ tongue weight is over the axeles that is one of the big factors if you are legal. You all ways see 2500 250s towing big fifth wheels but im willing to bet if you looked at their hitch weights a lot of them would be illegal. Just food for thought...you are doing the right thing with the 3500..pa can be a bitch with the hills there if you have a egt gauge on the truck keep a close eye on it i tow threw pa all the time with a 15500 lb camper on a goose neckequiped 07 3500 drw.fill up before you get into pa too because they are outrageous for diesel fuel. .
My truck does have an EGT gauge but the 2015 is bone stock from the factory.. Still under warranty though with 60k miles. If he needs it for something else, my truck it is... But either way, im about to my first long haul trip, and first gooseneck tow whether 3/4 ton or 1 ton. Pretty excited but nervous at the same time! Everything is paid for, all I got to do is drive. Driving to York, PA to be exact
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Old 09-01-2018, 06:14 PM
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Piece of cake, I've done it heavier with 80,000 lbs for over 1 1/2 million miles, it's easier when you don't own the truck and are being paid and never get in a hurry, never!
Drive like you have the worst brakes ever and adjust distance following, you'll be fine
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Old 09-01-2018, 06:14 PM
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If you have no clue what you are talking about, why bother commenting? 16,000 lbs on gooseneck is well within the limits of the truck regardless of its age providing its brakes, tires, etc are in good condition. Remember to always check the limits on your keyboard before typing. Just sayin
Here's a guy that actually did the calculations with a similar truck.

Re: 5th wheel ratings for 2006 2500 6.6L???

Jan 11 2013, 7:48am

As for the question of if my truck could safely pull our 5th wheel, it turned out to be a little more complicated than I'd hoped but I've now got the truck and it will be a very tight fit to stay under the ratings but will work. The specs in the owner's manual are vague and TrailerLife says 15.4K for a 5th wheel but that is with a 150# driver and no passengers or cargo. Fully loaded for a cross country trip is a different story.

The GCWR (Max rated total weight of +fully+ loaded truck & fully loaded trailer) is 22,000 lbs. The truck's GVWR is 9,200 and the label on the B pillar says the max cargo and passenger weight is maxed at 2,725. The difference of those two gives me a curb weight of 6,475. I'm assuming that includes all fuel and fluids.

Subtracting max total truck weight (curb + passengers and cargo) from GCWR gives 15,525 pounds, the TrailerLife 5th wheel rating. Subtract from that the weight of the driver of 200 (I weigh less but this makes the math easier) and that gives me a theordical max 5th towing capacity of 15,325. Thats GCWR - Curb - Driver (22,000 - 6,475 - 200). That assumes a kingpin weight ratio of 15% on the trailer to give 2,300 pounds to not trip the max cargo + passenger rating. Sounds great, but that's not the full picture either.

For a concrete example....
Passengers: 500 (4 people, but allowing some room to grow!)
26 extra gallons of diesel @ 7#/gallon in Titan fuel tank: 182
Kingpin: 1790 (see below)
5th wheel hitch: 100

Those are the essentials (Passengers + extra fuel + kingpin + hitch) and total up to 2572 pounds. = 2572. That only leaves me 153 pounds (2725 - 2572) for cargo. Throw in a 50# generator, roller bed cover, tools and tool box and I'm quicking hitting up against the 2725 max rating. Assuming most of our "cargo" will be in the trailer and not the truck bed and we won't always have a full 52 gallons of fuel I'm hoping not to regularly go over 2725. Figuring in 2800 though gives me a Curb + Passanger/Cargo + Trailer (6,475 + 2800 + 12000) is 21,275. Pretty close to the GCVWR!

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Old 09-01-2018, 06:22 PM
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Originally Posted by vertigo View Post
You are confusing civil liability with criminal. There is nothing illegal about towing 16k for personal use.
unless ones state of domicile requires a non commercial endorsement.
If you knowingly exceed the weight ratings of a truck and recklessly put others at risk, I believe that you could be charged with a crime. But I'm not an attorney. Food for thought.
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Old 09-01-2018, 06:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Trob34 View Post


If you have no clue what you are talking about, why bother commenting? 16,000 lbs on gooseneck is well within the limits of the truck regardless of its age providing its brakes, tires, etc are in good condition. Remember to always check the limits on your keyboard before typing. Just sayin
I did check the ratings, and it's over.
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Old 09-01-2018, 06:25 PM
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Back- in-Black , I get ya and agree . The thinking behind my comments really haven't been focused on whether or not an older truck can do it rather the choice he has between 2 vehicles .
Good Truck you got there .
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Yes, it's been a good truck. 1 owner - me, so I know what kind of shape it's in. It'll hit 396k miles in the next 2 weeks or so. Will be driving it to Dallas and back on 9/17 -9/21 (1,100 miles round trip) and not concerned at with age or mileage. Will be 3rd trip to Dallas since April. Tired of driving it after all these years and got the itch for a new one pretty bad right now.
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The truck can tow it no problem. The truck would be completely legal doing it too. You wouldn't be legal in every state unless you had a class a.
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Originally Posted by BottomPicker View Post
If you knowingly exceed the weight ratings of a truck and recklessly put others at risk, I believe that you could be charged with a crime. But I'm not an attorney. Food for thought.
Just like you could in your car, if you were speeding and had a crash. Does that stop you from speeding on your way to work? Not likely.
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You say you are Kory tuned. He seems to tune heavy. Do you have adjustable tunes with a low power tow tune and turbo brake? If not, is your trans stock? If yes, do yourself a favor and manual downshift or you will be blowing the trans or converter. Been there. I have both the tuned LBZ 2500 and a 2016 tuned 3500 Dually LML. The LBZ is faster and much more fun empty, but loaded that heavy the 35000 DRW will be much more relaxing and far less white knuckling. I like my hill hold feature also!
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You say you are Kory tuned. He seems to tune heavy. Do you have adjustable tunes with a low power tow tune and turbo brake? If not, is your trans stock? If yes, do yourself a favor and manual downshift or you will be blowing the trans or converter. Been there. I have both the tuned LBZ 2500 and a 2016 tuned 3500 Dually LML. The LBZ is faster and much more fun empty, but loaded that heavy the 35000 DRW will be much more relaxing and far less white knuckling. I like my hill hold feature also!
100hp "trans safe" tune. Stock trans. I don't run the truck hard at all and have towed with it plenty, just not 16,000lbs....

Call me stupid, but why would i manually downshift when tow haul does it anyway? Honest question, not being a smart ass!! Thanks!
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Originally Posted by Manoverboard123 View Post
100hp "trans safe" tune. Stock trans. I don't run the truck hard at all and have towed with it plenty, just not 16,000lbs....

Call me stupid, but why would i manually downshift when tow haul does it anyway? Honest question, not being a smart ass!! Thanks!
It all depends how it’s tuned. On that stock trans 100 is its max tuning. I would not call that “safe” with that much weight. If it downshifts quick enough when you get into the go pedal it’s fine, but if it spools quick there are occasionally “tie ups” which is what eats clutches with that much weight. I learned the hard way. I now have built trans with a “loose” converter and tow on my highest setting. Just watch the trans temp and ease into throttle and you should be good.
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Old 09-03-2018, 06:04 AM
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Man-Use the 2015 Dually. The brakes are MUCH better.....the model you have has fair brakes at best.
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Old 09-03-2018, 06:24 AM
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Once your GCVWR ecxeeds 26,000lbs most states require a CDL or non-commercial special class license.
If you don’t have one, and nothing goes wrong, nobody will care.
If something goes wrong your insurance may deny coverage. And you may face stiff fines just from a routine traffic stop.
Check your local state’s requirement.
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