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Old 02-06-2018, 11:40 AM
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Have already decided on a New Ram 2500 Laramie, but I am very confused on the power plant, so I'll tell you my story and appreciate any opinions. I am 49 retiring in 8 years max, I put roughly 8k a year on vehicle, we tow our camper (~6500 lbs) six to eight times a year, when I retire I foresee a lot more towing, even some cross country trips. I also see a larger camper in our future. We have small boats that are easily towable with 1500 trucks. My original plan was to buy a diesel and keep it fifteen years, which takes me well into retirement, but I am reading a lot of people are bailing on diesels and going with large gas motors, in this case 6.4 hemi.
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Diesel for sure if you want to do any cross country towing.

Only issue is they can get temperamental when you use them for a lot of short trips. If it were me, I would set the truck up for your long term needs, and have a knock around car for day to day.
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Originally Posted by autobaun70 View Post
Only issue is they can get temperamental when you use them for a lot of short trips..
Do you mind expanding on this and providing some more details? I have a 16' cummins that I primarily use for daily driving as well as towing 100 miles here and there. Would love to get ahead of any issues/temperamentals that may arise with my many short trips. Thanks!

X2 on diesel if you are planning on doing cross country tows. You should only have 72k on the dash when you retire so the truck wont even be broken in.
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Originally Posted by TUNAHUNTER197 View Post
Do you mind expanding on this and providing some more details? I have a 16' cummins that I primarily use for daily driving as well as towing 100 miles here and there. Would love to get ahead of any issues/temperamentals that may arise with my many short trips. Thanks!

X2 on diesel if you are planning on doing cross country tows. You should only have 72k on the dash when you retire so the truck wont even be broken in.
Biggest thing is that the cooling system and overall material density is tremendous on a diesel engine. It is not good for any motor to frequently be run without coming up to temp. Gas motors, having overall less material weight in the engine and cooling system, warm up faster, in thereby handled this better.
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A buddy just finished truck shopping and decided on the Dodge. He over-analysis' everything so enjoy reading!

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I am in a similar boat as you but without the planned ret and I drive 25k a year. For what I want in a truck, Laramie is the minimum. I am finding the diesels only a couple k more than gas. For me, I'm thinking diesel more and more.

Diesels do like to be run. The exhaust components work better with heat. I'm just not hearing alot of people complain about diesels, unless they own a Ford.

Many people mention increased maintenance on a diesel. I haven't seen it. At least not in a truck that tows/works. For instance the little Cummins in my motor home calls for oil change every 15k miles or once a year. A gas motor in the same application calls for a 3k mile oil change! The only time I see maintenance cost less on a gas is if it is a grocery getter.
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towing across country? No 2 ways about it - diesel. It's what they do so well. I used mine to tow cross country - 30,000 miles in 3 months. Couldn't imagine trying that with a gas motor... and all my trucks until this one were gas.

And I really wouldn't worry about the short trip thing. I do short trips in mine all the time - constantly. 5 to 15 mile trips. To the tune of maybe 20k miles /year. Hasn't bothered it a bit and it's 16 y/o and will hit 400k miles this fall.
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towing across country? No 2 ways about it - diesel. It's what they do so well. I used mine to tow cross country - 30,000 miles in 3 months. Couldn't imagine trying that with a gas motor... and all my trucks until this one were gas.

And I really wouldn't worry about the short trip thing. I do short trips in mine all the time - constantly. 5 to 15 mile trips. To the tune of maybe 20k miles /year. Hasn't bothered it a bit and it's 16 y/o and will hit 400k miles this fall.
An older truck is probably a MUCH different animal as far as short trips being no DEF STUFF, newer might suffer more problems on short trips..


Diesel will probably treat him better...

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I have a 2014 Ram 3500 and it's my daily driver and I use it to tow my boat and I have a slide-in truck camper. My commute to work is about 8 miles. I am very happy with my decision to go diesel, I get better fuel economy than many of my buddies with gas trucks and towing and hauling is hands down far superior. A couple inconveniences with the diesel is the DEF fluid and people with gas cars that block diesel pumps.

Longevity on diesel motors is another reason I went with them. I'm hoping this 2014 lasts well into retirement.
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Originally Posted by Cracker View Post
An older truck is probably a MUCH different animal as far as short trips being no DEF STUFF, newer might suffer more problems on short trips..


Diesel will probably treat him better...

Fishnut, I will retire AGAIN before you..
Shut up Larry.....jk good for you brother, you deserve it. I'm in a good place right now and hope to ride it out.....
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PFFT the extra cost of the engine, then cost of fuel, then the cost of maintenance. Too me a gas truck will do just fine. When a diesel breaks down its thousands of dollars.
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The guys on the Ram-Cummins forum's say 2013 6.7L and newer are good to go from the factory,
no deleting or modifications required .
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I had to make that decision 2 years ago - towing a 13,000lbs boat (incl trailer) in flat south GA and FL.
Due to the excessive maintenance and repair costs for diesels, I decided on gas (F-250).

It has worked well for me. However, every even so slight uphill (yes, even overpasses) I cringe as the gasser loses speed and switches down a gear.

Now that I'm being transferred from south GA to Kansas City, I kinda regret the choice I made.
I'm not a fan of Dodge in general, but the Cummins diesel is bullet proof.

When you buy new, make sure you get the right axle ratio. For heavy towing, get the higher axle ratio. Your transmission will thank you.
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You have to figure out how heavy you are going to be overall. The gas engines can do it and they do it well with decent mileage. At my local dealer the cost difference between the gas trucks and diesel trucks can sometimes be absorbed in options. A new dodge 3500 is basically a mini big rig guys are towing 40,000 pounds setups stock....mileage drops to 8 but they get it done.

I would go diesel but most diesel owners don't move enough weight to justify a diesel.

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My old neighbor had a 2000 F350 7.3 Powerstroke 4x4 crew cab lariat that he purchased new. He need to take his Harley in for service. He borrowed my trailer to tow his bike and was concerned if his truck would be able to tow it. He had never towed anything before. The truck was probably 7 years old at the time.

There is a dodge dealer out of kernsville, NC that seems to have the cheapest prices on dodge diesels in the country. They advertise a lot on eBay.

I would try and find a 2006 mega cab that lived a easy life. That truck should last long enough for you to pass on.

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I'd go with gas for now then revisit the decision in 8 years. You may want to trade it in by that time.
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Originally Posted by simeoncoleman View Post
PFFT the extra cost of the engine, then cost of fuel, then the cost of maintenance. Too me a gas truck will do just fine. When a diesel breaks down its thousands of dollars.
So why not buy a bass boat to go offshore fishing? It would certainly be cheaper and get better gas mileage than a 30+ footer with twins.

Buy the right tool for the job and you will almost certainly never regret it. Shortcuts are just that - shortcuts.
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The guys on the Ram-Cummins forum's say 2013 6.7L and newer are good to go from the factory,
no deleting or modifications required .
This is correct IMO.
Get the 3.42 gears with the Cummins, 70MPH is about 1500RPM. Better mileage with this combo. If need to pull heavy lock in 5th gear 2100 is about 70MPH pulls anything that I want to pull with a pickup.
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This is correct IMO.
Get the 3.42 gears with the Cummins, 70MPH is about 1500RPM. Better mileage with this combo. If need to pull heavy lock in 5th gear 2100 is about 70MPH pulls anything that I want to pull with a pickup.
Good info......pretty sure when the time comes I'll be going diesel. I've been seeing Kennersville a lot on ebay. Thank for all of the comments
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Diesel for sure.. No doubt about it.. Even just towing short trips, the gasser guys can talk all they want, but a diesel does the job 20 times better no matter what the load is or how far you're going. Night and day difference.

Not to mention better fuel economy, and all in all, less strain on the truck.. A gasser like said above will shift down on simple bridges. Lots of gear hunting (which isn't good.) The diesel won't shift a gear. 6500# camper to that Cummins is a feather. MUCH MUCH less strain on the truck/powertrain. Hell, not even any strain at all..

Again, diesel.. Don't let the gas guys hold you back

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Good info......pretty sure when the time comes I'll be going diesel. I've been seeing Kennersville a lot on ebay. Thank for all of the comments
I don't live far from Kernersville Dodge, if you need me to go over and kick tires or take extra pictures of anything let me know. My experience hasn't been great with them customer service wise but I know several folks that had better experiences than I did. Maybe I was there on a bad day...
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