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Old 12-02-2020, 09:52 PM
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I will look into the upgrade next winter. I replaced everything last month.
Old 12-02-2020, 10:19 PM
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Originally Posted by ken62k View Post
Switch to electric over hydraulic and you will never have to worry about hills.
This is the best setup.
I would only partially agree with that.
I have EOH brakes on all 3 axles (15klbs trailer), and it is outright dangerous to drive it.
Once I hit the brakes on the truck - with the brake controller at max - it takes between 1.5 and 2 seconds before the trailer brakes start to grab. When you're doing 65mph, 2 seconds is an eternity. That is when loaded with 11klbs boat. When empty, controller at 3 and the brakes grab in less than 1/2 second.
Trailer has been checked by two shops, and many others who have the same set-up have told me that, well, that's the way it is with EOH, it takes that much time for the pump to start building up enough pressure to start slowing down a loaded trailer.

I think it is the best set-up when launching my boat; when I hit the brakes going backwards down the ramp, I have 10 wheels locking up - compared to only 4 wheels with surge brakes. Chances of my boat pulling the truck into the lake is slim to none.
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Old 12-23-2020, 02:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Misterfu02 View Post
Yacht Club owners manual says not to downshift on hills.

Towed all over the Adirondacks with mine. No issues.
Ideally, you don't want to downshift, but sometimes you do have to find a lower gear. That's just reality. I've towed 5th wheels and boats all over the place. Not disagreeing with the idea that you don't WANT to downshift, but sometimes you have to.
Old 12-28-2020, 08:53 PM
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Originally Posted by ken62k View Post
Switch to electric over hydraulic and you will never have to worry about hills.
This is the best setup.

this.

10000 times over

also, upsize axles 1 over required and get brakes on each axle if ordering new.

I stop faster towing 11,400# trailer than truck alone


Originally Posted by berrie View Post
I would only partially agree with that.
I have EOH brakes on all 3 axles (15klbs trailer), and it is outright dangerous to drive it.
Once I hit the brakes on the truck - with the brake controller at max - it takes between 1.5 and 2 seconds before the trailer brakes start to grab. When you're doing 65mph, 2 seconds is an eternity. That is when loaded with 11klbs boat. When empty, controller at 3 and the brakes grab in less than 1/2 second.
Trailer has been checked by two shops, and many others who have the same set-up have told me that, well, that's the way it is with EOH, it takes that much time for the pump to start building up enough pressure to start slowing down a loaded trailer.

I think it is the best set-up when launching my boat; when I hit the brakes going backwards down the ramp, I have 10 wheels locking up - compared to only 4 wheels with surge brakes. Chances of my boat pulling the truck into the lake is slim to none.
something is wrong. Not my experience at all using the ford integrated brake controller over my brake rite actuator

I had to pump almost 5 quarts of fluid while having the trailer pointing downgrade to get a full and true bleed though. Sounds like you have air or a lazy brake controller


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Old 01-03-2021, 08:50 PM
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I've only got 6-7 months on a new E/H two axle install using Kodiak calipers and a Hydrastar actuator with Ford Controller but I have absolutely no complaints on response time or performance. It beats the hell out of the old surge brakes. I haven't had the "deer in the headlights" panic stop yet but there's no perceptible significant/unusual delay in normal operation.

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