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Old 11-07-2017, 04:18 AM   #1
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Default 3.0 Diesel in a Ford F-150

Ford mistakenly leaked the owners manual. According to Ford, the 2018 Ford F-150 SuperCrew 4×4 equipped with the 3.0-liter engine will have a maximum GCVRW of 17,100 pounds or 7,575 kilos. Furthermore, it will be offered with a 3.31 or 3.55 rear axle ratio. While this doesn’t translate into exact towing capacity, the belief is... it could translate into nearly 12,000 pounds.

Not sure if a 1/2 ton truck has the underpinnings and the brakes for 12K. If it does ... well then great. Just seems counter intuitive.

Could this possibly translate into the Ford Expedition?
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Wonder what the MPG is. Has to be pretty good
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The 1/2 tons have been rated to tow around 12K in some configurations for the last couple of years. Doesn't mean that they can necessarily tow it well.

That seems weird, though. Ram also offers a 3.0 diesel, and the tow rating with the diesel is less than the gas counterpart. For example when comparing a 2016 RAM CC 4X4 std. Bed, the Hemi can be rated up to 10,190 lbs, while the diesel is only rated to 8,610 lbs.
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small diesels in the 1/2 tons are nothing new. RAM has it. its not designed to be a massive tow rig. its designed to be economical while still able to tow the average weekend warrior smaller loads. all though now days the weekend warrior boats are getting pretty damn big
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Possibly the 2020/21 refresh of the expedition. The 2018 is 3.5 Ecoboost / 10 speed combo rated at 9300lb towing.
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Tow ratings have so much more to do with things like transmissions, rear axle ratios, etc than they do the actual engine.
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Tow ratings have so much more to do with things like transmissions, rear axle ratios, etc than they do the actual engine.
what BNB said! difference between a 2500hd and a 3500hd duramax is mainly gearing and suspension. they both use the exact same motor
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I’m willing to bet the 3.5 Ecoboost will keep the “top dog” towing status among the F150 powerplant options. I think the 3.0 diesel will nestle between the 5.0 V8 and 3.5 Eco as far as sheer towing capacity is concerned, but it will handedly beat both in economy.

I, too am also keeping my fingers crossed that this engine could find its way into the Expedition in a few years.

I currently drive a F250/6.7 but sold my CC at the end of summer. Don’t tow anything over 5,000 pounds now. Depending on how the 3.0 diesel performs I may downsize trucks to a F150.
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Ford mistakenly leaked the owners manual. According to Ford, the 2018 Ford F-150 SuperCrew 4×4 equipped with the 3.0-liter engine will have a maximum GCVRW of 17,100 pounds or 7,575 kilos. Furthermore, it will be offered with a 3.31 or 3.55 rear axle ratio. While this doesn’t translate into exact towing capacity, the belief is... it could translate into nearly 12,000 pounds.

Not sure if a 1/2 ton truck has the underpinnings and the brakes for 12K. If it does ... well then great. Just seems counter intuitive.

Could this possibly translate into the Ford Expedition?
Thanks for posting that info. I love the idea of a relatively small turbodiesel in the F-150. It will be very interesting to see if it will beat out the 2.7EB in fuel economy, and how close it will be to the Colorado/Canyon 2.8L I4 baby-Duramax. .
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Thanks for posting that info. I love the idea of a relatively small turbodiesel in the F-150. It will be very interesting to see if it will beat out the 2.7EB in fuel economy, and how close it will be to the Colorado/Canyon 2.8L I4 baby-Duramax. .
I'll be looking to what Ford does with the diesel option for the Ranger Raptor too.
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To me Ford does not have the best history of diesel design. I really hope they get this one right.
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To me Ford does not have the best history of diesel design. I really hope they get this one right.
The 6.7 has been a pretty good success. And the 3.0 is based on the existing 3.0 diesel in the Land Rover/Range Rover SUVs. I wouldn’t worry too much about it but it’s usually a good practice to avoid the first year of a new engine/new model truck to avoid first year glitches.
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Thanks for posting that info. I love the idea of a relatively small turbodiesel in the F-150. It will be very interesting to see if it will beat out the 2.7EB in fuel economy, and how close it will be to the Colorado/Canyon 2.8L I4 baby-Duramax. .
Still trying to wrap my head around why they aren't offering the 2.8 dmax in the 1500's. Seems like a real world 6,000 - 7,000 tow capacity coupled with mileage similar to the Colorado day to day would be huge. I would love to have a dmax colorado (or gas for that matter) for day to day, but with 2 rear facing car seats, it simply isn't big enough.
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the towing capacity will be lower than the 3.5eb and maybe even the 5.0 because it's guaranteed to be heavier. With the same GCWR and GVWR (when properly equipped) as a max tow or hdpp that means the payload and towing will have to drop.

It'll excel in the under 8k lb range in terms of mpg and driving feel should still be really good, but the 3.5eb just has so much power in reserve that it'll be faster with the same load and feel a lot better with the greater weight.

The biggest question will be trim level availability and actual pricing. It should see ~31mpg highway in the real world.
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Still trying to wrap my head around why they aren't offering the 2.8 dmax in the 1500's. Seems like a real world 6,000 - 7,000 tow capacity coupled with mileage similar to the Colorado day to day would be huge. I would love to have a dmax colorado (or gas for that matter) for day to day, but with 2 rear facing car seats, it simply isn't big enough.
i agree, a 1500 baby max would be a sweet ticket, i dont understand why the big 3 are so late to getting to this. just seems so logical to go that route even years ago before the emissions crack down
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Not sure if a 1/2 ton truck has the underpinnings and the brakes for 12K. If it does ... well then great. Just seems counter intuitive.
Keep in mind many of the new half tons have larger brakes than some not so old 3/4 tons. My wifes GX470 has bigger brakes than my Duramax. For some reason it stops my boat better than the truck.

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what BNB said! difference between a 2500hd and a 3500hd duramax is mainly gearing and suspension. they both use the exact same motor
The ONLY difference for a long time was the rear springs, I suspect that may still be the case. They used the same exact same engine, transmission, axles, and were only offered with 3.73 gearing regardless of the badge on the door. The same went for Ford, the only difference was a block and the rear spring pack (there were gearing choices for each truck).
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what BNB said! difference between a 2500hd and a 3500hd duramax is mainly gearing and suspension. they both use the exact same motor
Actually it is only suspension (and of course dual vs single rear wheels). All duramax trucks are 3.73 and have the same 6-speed allison as well.


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Actually it is only suspension (and of course dual vs single rear wheels). All duramax trucks are 3.73 and have the same 6-speed allison as well.


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correct duramax is only suspension, i had thoughts of ford and dodge mixed in while typing. either way its still the same motor
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the new ford diesel has been made for a while by Range Rover and its specs are well known. Same power figures as the RAM, 240hp 420tq. It will get significantly better economy than the 2.7EB or even the 3.3 v6 base engine.
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Still trying to wrap my head around why they aren't offering the 2.8 dmax in the 1500's. Seems like a real world 6,000 - 7,000 tow capacity coupled with mileage similar to the Colorado day to day would be huge. I would love to have a dmax colorado (or gas for that matter) for day to day, but with 2 rear facing car seats, it simply isn't big enough.
I'd like to see something like that, too. But @ 180 HP, I'm not sure the baby-Duramax is quite enough. Maybe?

If they could make an I-5 version of that engine, it would be just about perfect. It would end up @ 3.5L, roughly 225 HP and +/-460 ft/lbs torque. It could go in the Silverado/Sierra 1500s, plus the Suburban, Yukon, Tahoe, etc. It would be a game changer in the market.

Maybe Ford has similar ideas for this 3.0 diesel?
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