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Old 03-30-2017, 06:29 AM
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Drove a 2017 Chevy with the 6.6 a couple of weeks ago.
Drove the 2017 6.7 Ford yesterday.

Specs show Ford has a bit more torque than Chevy however Chevy felt a bit stronger.

I have always preferred the GMC and am driving one currently but the Ford I drove yesterday is a damn good looking truck.

Thoughts, comments, experience with the 2017 diesels?
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I very much like what I see on the new duramax motor and cool stuff they did like using the turbo as a centrifuge to get all the gunk out of the EGR gases before shoving them back into the intake. It appears that some serious thought and engineering along with the last 10 years of experience with failures went into the new design for the motor and the emissions system. I really think / hope we are about to see the turning point where the diesel emissions systems aren't so problematic.

Having said that, I'm waiting at least 2 more years and most likely 3. I'd like to give them time to get any bugs out and fine tune, plus I really don't have the money right now. Building a shop in the back yard and I think by the time it's over, it'll be $80k +. Need some time to recover from that too.

I think the Ford 6.7 is a pretty mature product by now and likely to be a good buy. But it's still going to suffer from things like EGR soot and such that GM seems to have addressed. I'm also not in love with the aluminum bed. I can deal with it on the cab, but not the bed.
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Originally Posted by Back-in-Black View Post
I very much like what I see on the new duramax motor and cool stuff they did like using the turbo as a centrifuge to get all the gunk out of the EGR gases before shoving them back into the intake. It appears that some serious thought and engineering along with the last 10 years of experience with failures went into the new design for the motor and the emissions system. I really think / hope we are about to see the turning point where the diesel emissions systems aren't so problematic.

Having said that, I'm waiting at least 2 more years and most likely 3. I'd like to give them time to get any bugs out and fine tune, plus I really don't have the money right now. Building a shop in the back yard and I think by the time it's over, it'll be $80k +. Need some time to recover from that too.

I think the Ford 6.7 is a pretty mature product by now and likely to be a good buy. But it's still going to suffer from things like EGR soot and such that GM seems to have addressed. I'm also not in love with the aluminum bed. I can deal with it on the cab, but not the bed.
I was unaware the 250s were aluminum until salesman started singing it's praises yesterday.
He did say they'll throw in bed liner.... not confident that's a cure all for bed damage.
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wonder how a spray in bedliner will do on an aluminum bed? will it cause the liner to fail? then what, not sure those can be recoated or not
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I have never driven the ford and wont because of my previous issues with my f150 I had. However, I own a 2013 Sierra 2500 with the duramax with a canned tuner and can tell you that new motor will out work mine with a tuner. I drove a 2017 2500 and absolutely loved it. The power is so smooth and always there.
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Originally Posted by DirtBusters View Post
I have never driven the ford and wont because of my previous issues with my f150 I had. However, I own a 2013 Sierra 2500 with the duramax with a canned tuner and can tell you that new motor will out work mine with a tuner. I drove a 2017 2500 and absolutely loved it. The power is so smooth and always there.
An F-150 and and F-250 share ZERO in common. So really don't see why you wouldn't ride in one. I get not another F-150 but when the two share nothing other than a name plate it is kind of ignorant to not give it a test drive at that very least.
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Originally Posted by Nate5.0 View Post
An F-150 and and F-250 share ZERO in common. So really don't see why you wouldn't ride in one. I get not another F-150 but when the two share nothing other than a name plate it is kind of ignorant to not give it a test drive at that very least.


The last Ford I owned was an 04 (or 05?) with the 6.0 in it. Me and Ford went round and round about that heap of schit and that was still very much on my mind yesterday while I listened to salesman explain that Ford 250s are the second coming.

Still liked the truck inside and out.... good looking truck!
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The last Ford I owned was an 04 (or 05?) with the 6.0 in it. Me and Ford went round and round about that heap of schit and that was still very much on my mind yesterday while I listened to salesman explain that Ford 250s are the second coming.

Still liked the truck inside and out.... good looking truck!
I like the 6.0L but only when "bulletproofed". Actually thinking about picking up an excursion next week with one in it.
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Always had Fords, switched to a Ram 3500 CTD,best truck to date. Wouldn't ever get another Ford. Would give GM a look.
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Originally Posted by newfy View Post
Always had Fords, switched to a Ram 3500 CTD,best truck to date. Wouldn't ever get another Ford. Would give GM a look.
Exactly the opposite for me. My 1st and only Dodge was a 2010 2500.
Great truck, the Cummins was strong and trouble free, great brakes.... I just never could get used to the interior.

Prefer the GM's but again, that Ford yesterday was nice, inside and out.
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IMO, the D-max is too new. It is almost completely new. I want to see the fuel system last for 3 years or so before I trust it. I also had a 6.utoh psd. Very uncomfortable with how Ford handled the warranty on that pos. I was always anti Dodge. I now prefer it. The only thing constant is change. I will be ready to give my son my Dodge in 3 years or so. I will look at all 5 before I make my choice. I am not brand loyal. Why be loyal to a manufacture? They are not loyal to me!!!
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Having had a 2011 6.7 Powerstroke and now owning a 2016 6.6 Duramax. I feel that the Power Stroke was punchier off the line but lost steam soon after. Whereas the Duramax felt a bit soft off the line yet the power felt continuous as opposed to the Power Stroke.

FWIW, I am seeing better fuel economy with the Duramax 19.8 @ 73 as opposed to the Power Stroke's 17.4 driving the same way, same speed.

Both were and are nice trucks and you would do well with either.
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BTW, I was reading up on the '17 dmax on the duramax forum the other day to see what problems people are having with them. They have a special section set up in the forum for the '17s. So far, no major problems that I saw. Mostly little stuff that you'd expect with a brand new product. Looks like some of the guys have as much as 10k miles on theirs already and didn't see any negative comments. Mostly praise and buggy type stuff. Some are complaining about the transmission "surging" and slipping though so as you would expect, there are bugs to work out.

http://www.duramaxforum.com/forum/20...ax-powertrain/

Like I said, I'll wait a bit.
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Originally Posted by vertigo View Post
Having had a 2011 6.7 Powerstroke and now owning a 2016 6.6 Duramax. I feel that the Power Stroke was punchier off the line but lost steam soon after. Whereas the Duramax felt a bit soft off the line yet the power felt continuous as opposed to the Power Stroke.

FWIW, I am seeing better fuel economy with the Duramax 19.8 @ 73 as opposed to the Power Stroke's 17.4 driving the same way, same speed.

Both were and are nice trucks and you would do well with either.
You nailed it.... this is exactly what I experienced between the 2 I drove.
In spite of the Ford showing a little stronger numbers it just didn't feel as strong as the GM.
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They are all good these days...Interior comfort and stuff I think makes a huge difference...I do not like the previous gen Ford interior at all...


I have a 2013 RAM 6.7...my first Dodge and absolutely love it.


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Originally Posted by Nate5.0 View Post
An F-150 and and F-250 share ZERO in common. So really don't see why you wouldn't ride in one. I get not another F-150 but when the two share nothing other than a name plate it is kind of ignorant to not give it a test drive at that very least.
It has more to do with the way FoMoCo treated me with the constant problems I had with that truck. It spent way too much time in the shop and had way too many issues for a brand new vehicle and ford didnt stand behind it. They always seemed to find some other thing to blame it on other than their vehicle being a lemon. I ended up in a lawsuit with ford which they settled. Its not the truck, its the brand. Then, one of my boss's bought a 15 that had to be bought back by ford after 5-6 months. No thanks!
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wonder how a spray in bedliner will do on an aluminum bed? will it cause the liner to fail? then what, not sure those can be recoated or not
Don't understand your concern. If done when new as it should be the spray in liner will be sticking to the paint, not the aluminum.
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Don't understand your concern. If done when new as it should be the spray in liner will be sticking to the paint, not the aluminum.
Will the spray in be strong enough to protect the bed though? This is one of the only concerns I have left about the Ford I drove yesterday...... did I mention it was a damn good looking truck
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Don't understand your concern. If done when new as it should be the spray in liner will be sticking to the paint, not the aluminum.
yes but the aluminum will not hold up to abuse like the steel. so lets say you do what the commercial does and drop a load of bricks in the bed and one punches a hole in. how much of a pain in the ass would that be to fix? fixing the metal is the easy part but how to you approch the spray in liner?
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Will the spray in be strong enough to protect the bed though? This is one of the only concerns I have left about the Ford I drove yesterday...... did I mention it was a damn good looking truck
I don't really know. The only time there seems to be a problem is when you drop large sharp edged stones from a front loader from about ten to twelve feet high.

Only Chevy has been dumb enough to try, and that bed was not lined.

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