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Old 09-30-2016, 09:21 AM
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This has been beaten to death on here, but someone explain to me exactly why when someone posts something like "i want a diesel truck to pull my boat", They get 15 post saying "you do not need a diesel to pull that, i pull a 12000 pound boat with my F150 and hardly know its back there". So what, he is asking about a diesel, that is what he wants. He didn't say, what can i get away with!

Now if i saw a guy saying he wanted to pull a 14k pound boat with his tundra i would probably tell him he might consider going to a diesel, so maybe i am just as guilty.

I have pulled heavy boats with gas trucks and i know that they can and will do it. I also know that a diesel will do it with ease and style, with better mileage and without searching for gears on our steep Florida grades "lol". A diesel will get better than 7.6 MPG while doing it most times also.

I pulled with Gas trucks for years because i could not afford a diesel. I chugged along at 64 mph with a 21 foot boat, turning high rpms with the overdrive locked out, feeling like i was killing my truck. Maybe the gas truck that have come out in the last 5 or 6 years are revolutionary in the towing department, but i sure have not experienced it.

Is this some kind of Penis Envy Thing? Hey bro, If you think your gas truck pulls like a diesel then you have never pulled anything with a diesel. Also a 2500 or more has bigger breaks, it is a tad more heavy duty, it will ride rough, these are real differences so why does the discussion always get turned into gas is as good as diesel.

Have you heard about the new Kenworth coming out with the Gas Engine!!!! HE#@ no you have'nt !!!


With all of this said I am getting older and as soon as i get a smaller boat and do not feel the need for the diesel i will probably get something smaller and a little cheaper to operate. I hope that i do not feel the need to convince anyone on the forum that my new Nissan Frontier or 1500 will pull there 28 foot CC to the keys just fine.

Yes, i have been known to stir the pot, but this does get on my nerves, and im bored.
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I don't know for sure but I suspect it's likely the added cost of a Diesel that most people asking for Diesel's don't consider. If towing rarely newer gas engines do excellent and have a much lower total cost of ownership. I'm one of the people that wanted and now have a Diesel just "because" even though I don't need it.
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Weaker transmission on gassers and lower fuel mileage.

You can tow easily with gas within the vehicle weight rating. It all depends on how often, how much weight and how hilly the roads are.

That is how you should decide if a gasser is good enough.
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Personally, I don't understand why people with diesels buy these little tiny f350's and the like. If you are going to buy a diesel, buy a real diesel, like a Peterbilt. Why drive around in these little pansy dually "trucks"? It's like the people who buy a base model Mustang. If you're going to do it, do it right.



Did I add enough fuel to the diesel fire?
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Originally Posted by Turtle9343 View Post
Personally, I don't understand why people with diesels buy these little tiny f350's and the like. If you are going to buy a diesel, buy a real diesel, like a Peterbilt. Why drive around in these little pansy dually "trucks"? It's like the people who buy a base model Mustang. If you're going to do it, do it right.



Did I add enough fuel to the diesel fire?
...and then put exhaust stacks up through the bed
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Originally Posted by Turtle9343 View Post
Personally, I don't understand why people with diesels buy these little tiny f350's and the like. If you are going to buy a diesel, buy a real diesel, like a Peterbilt. Why drive around in these little pansy dually "trucks"? It's like the people who buy a base model Mustang. If you're going to do it, do it right.



Did I add enough fuel to the diesel fire?
Agreed, actually yesterday I was looking for people towing their CC's with Peterbuilts etc and curious to know what their town and payload capacities were. Any links of that?
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I recently sold my boat, but I used to tow it with a Peterbilt. The boat wasn't a cc, but a 21 foot bowrider. The boat weighed a bit under 4500 lb. The truck was licensed to pull up to 80,000 lb. Best tow vehicle ever. Ride was more comfortable than any pickup towing the boat, 12 mpg, and it literally towed the boat like it wasn't even back there.
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I chime in when I see "there is no way I'd pull a 9k lb trailer with gas 2500, have to have a diesel". My response is "they don't HAVE to have diesel". Its about needs vs wants. Very few people NEED a diesel but want a diesel, that's fine buy what you want. But diesel heads shouldn't mis inform someone about the gas truck not being able to handle it. I've owned both and while I liked the diesel truck I honestly learned for myself that a gas fits my personal needs better. I also don't personally buy into the desiel engines hands down outlast the gas engine. In our fleet trucks at work we have both. Both have bin reliable for the most part, but the newer diesels have nickled and dimed way more. The gas trucks are absolutely abused to hell also and seem to not miss a beat. Jmo
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I just bought a GMC 2500 gasser, don`t need no stink`n diesel.
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Originally Posted by catfever24 View Post
I just bought a GMC 2500 gasser, don`t need no stink`n diesel.
Congrats
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Everybody had their own reason for buying whatever it is that they drive. When i bought my current truck I chose diesel due to the loads I was pulling and the frequency of how often I was towing. I have also noticed that with my current set up I am getting better life out of my brakes and and certainly my better mileage then my last gasser. That being said I see tyhrwads where members get knocked for their opinions and never understand why.

I would love to go up to a nice Peterbuilt but damn those are a pain in the tail to park when I am cruising with my boys.

My other reason for going Diesel was I will doing anything not to support these idiots who believe that Ethanol is a good thing!!!!!!!!
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Roll coal Bro!
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Originally Posted by Turtle9343 View Post
I recently sold my boat, but I used to tow it with a Peterbilt. The boat wasn't a cc, but a 21 foot bowrider. The boat weighed a bit under 4500 lb. The truck was licensed to pull up to 80,000 lb. Best tow vehicle ever. Ride was more comfortable than any pickup towing the boat, 12 mpg, and it literally towed the boat like it wasn't even back there.
Pictures or it didn't happen!

Well not really but I would like to see a picture so I can figure out how I get can one.
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So bro, do you have penis envy cuz I have a diesel?

I have towed over a gas truck's limits a few times. It worries me as I know I can't brake as fast or get out of the way when shit happens. I try to be as careful as possible but it's still irrepsonsible.

And when I see a gas vehicle towing over the limit I stay well behind until I can pass quickly as I enjoy being alive.
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Buy whatever you want, it's your money. One of the best towing vehicles I had was a 2001 Chevy 2500HD with the Allison, 4.10's and 8.1L gasser. I towed 10k, up and down hills with no problems. That motor was a monster.
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Originally Posted by Turtle9343 View Post
I recently sold my boat, but I used to tow it with a Peterbilt. The boat wasn't a cc, but a 21 foot bowrider. The boat weighed a bit under 4500 lb. The truck was licensed to pull up to 80,000 lb. Best tow vehicle ever. Ride was more comfortable than any pickup towing the boat, 12 mpg, and it literally towed the boat like it wasn't even back there.
Well. That must have looked ridiculous at the boat ramp
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I drive a diesel because I can.
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My diesel's almost 14 years old with 135K miles. It's slated to wear out the engine when I'm in my 90's. The value in any diesel is in longetivity of the engine--and they pull a ridiculous price used if kept clean and properly maintained.

And with a tuner, it's a ball to drive--surprising many auto owners in traffic.
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Originally Posted by mikefloyd View Post
I drive a diesel because I can.
Me 2 x2
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This has been beaten to death on here, but someone explain to me exactly why when someone posts something like "i want a diesel truck to pull my boat", They get 15 post saying "you do not need a diesel to pull that, i pull a 12000 pound boat with my F150 and hardly know its back there". So what, he is asking about a diesel, that is what he wants. He didn't say, what can i get away with!

Now if i saw a guy saying he wanted to pull a 14k pound boat with his tundra i would probably tell him he might consider going to a diesel, so maybe i am just as guilty.

I have pulled heavy boats with gas trucks and i know that they can and will do it. I also know that a diesel will do it with ease and style, with better mileage and without searching for gears on our steep Florida grades "lol". A diesel will get better than 7.6 MPG while doing it most times also.

I pulled with Gas trucks for years because i could not afford a diesel. I chugged along at 64 mph with a 21 foot boat, turning high rpms with the overdrive locked out, feeling like i was killing my truck. Maybe the gas truck that have come out in the last 5 or 6 years are revolutionary in the towing department, but i sure have not experienced it.

Is this some kind of Penis Envy Thing? Hey bro, If you think your gas truck pulls like a diesel then you have never pulled anything with a diesel. Also a 2500 or more has bigger breaks, it is a tad more heavy duty, it will ride rough, these are real differences so why does the discussion always get turned into gas is as good as diesel.

Have you heard about the new Kenworth coming out with the Gas Engine!!!! HE#@ no you have'nt !!!


With all of this said I am getting older and as soon as i get a smaller boat and do not feel the need for the diesel i will probably get something smaller and a little cheaper to operate. I hope that i do not feel the need to convince anyone on the forum that my new Nissan Frontier or 1500 will pull there 28 foot CC to the keys just fine.

Yes, i have been known to stir the pot, but this does get on my nerves, and im bored.
Usually i'm picking having fun or cutting up with you guys but this is a little more on a serious note.

Times have changed,,,,,,, and its not that you can't pull this and that with a gas its the WHAT IF.

You can drive 60 in a 55 and never get a ticket. You can roll through a intersection with a stop sign and not get caught. Don't try that with the one with the cameras. LOL

My point it, if anything... ANYTHING happens does not matter even if its your fault and what ever it is, your towing is over the legal weight limit, first off, your going to get a ticket, second who ever hit you or you hit them if they want to pursue it, will end up OWNING YOU after the courts are finished with their chunk of your A$$.

Its a risk and lawyers and manufacturers have refined this and that its down to even what gear size your running in your truck. Did you guys read that link I posted with the pulling weights? 4.10s could pull up to 31000, 3.73s I think it was 26000 and so on.

IF YOU EVER,,,,,,,,get in a wreck, and the other party pushes the issue, a lawyer will tear your ass apart.......... You can take that to the bank or out of the bank which ever way you want to look at it.
Get in a wreck and hurt someone???? Guys,, that one you might end up in jail.

So let that rest on you alls mind when the ego side of us hooks to something we know is over for our truck. Had a ford f350 come by me on the Pa Turnpike yesterday pulling about a 36 to 38 foot boat, hauling ass. His weight was I guess ok but at 80 in those curves? Everyone has dash cam now. You guys have one right??

See my point. Its all about covering your A$$.
All these do I need this or why do I need that,, Here is the answer. ITS LAID OUT FOR YOU IN PLAN ENGLISH. If you make the choice to ignore it, what question was there to start with and if you think about it, why are you asking about it when you already knew the answer?

Its if you want to take that risk. Remember the first thing I posted? You might not ever get a ticket in a 55 zone for 60 but run 75 mph. How long will your luck hold out on that one??

Perfect example. I got busted this week. Washington Beltway, coming around the west size traffic dead stopped, there was that Totally BEAUTIFUL express lane. I took it.

Won't that long maybe 4 miles till I could of got off and never been detected with a big truck on those privet lanes, sure as hell a cop had a car stopped about half way through, passed him I seen him almost running back to his car.......
My big truck ain't that fast and god knows the computer drives it more than I do.
$200,00.. I took the risk? Same as you all are going to do when you hook a 12000 pound boat to a F150 if that truck is not rated to pull it.

So its not a question,, its a choice!!! Understand!!!
You know your not suppose to blow though a red light. If you do it, and a cop or camera see's ya, you know your going to get busted. If you cause a wreck, doing it what happens. If you wreck with a over loaded truck, what happens. Rest my case.

The diesel is there to pull load weights a Gas truck will not.
The diesel is there to pull load weights that will burn up a gas motor or transmissions.

The diesels are there for those that like someone mentioned we rather have more than not enough.
Hot cars?? Do any of us need more power than we need to run the speed limit. HELL NO. Do we want it.. HELL YES>

Can your toyota Rav 4 pull this or that. Sure it can.. Can you get by with it,, IF YOU DO.. LOL But if you don't you SHOW NUFF, can't blame anyone but who??

Its not a question.........................Its a choice!!!

If I didn't pull the weight I pull would I have a 3500 truck. NO.
My f150 is legal pulling my pontoon and my bass boat and my new ATV trailer but i'm getting rid of both down sizing to one truck and its got to be a 3500 because I do pull heavy.

I actually enjoy the back and forth on these threads. Get tickled at those that are having fun with it just like they are, and have to say WOW on those that get all bent out of shape about it but their why we read this things to start with. Like going to a NASCAR race. You know we want to see someone wreck. Long as they don't get hurt. Its gives us something to bitch about..
Now think about gas ver diesel........

So Can your gas Tundra with your shinny 22's, stack stuck out the back bed, bull nuts hanging from the back bumper , and a I vote for Hillery sticker on the back window pull "DAT BOAT" YEP SURE CAN.
Can you get your ass busted with all that IF it ever goes south on you.?

Go ahead and stick your head between your legs give your soul to god and kick your grass goodbye cause that Lawyer is going to tear you a bran now butt hole.


Its like owning a shop. You can never,,, have, enough space.

Good luck with your choices.

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