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Old 10-16-2015, 11:16 AM
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Riding back from Montana to Maryland as we speak and my 5.4 is showing its age and how underpowered it is. Either one is affordable. But I feel like I'm right on the line of the diesel being too much and the eco boost not being enough.

My boat and trailer weigh around 4500lbs, and we're going to be purchasing a camper in the 6-7000lb range. We travel around hunting, and my 5.4 pulling a 6200lb camper through the hills of North Dakota and Montana got me a whopping 5.2mpg lol.

If you were in my shoes, what would you do?
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if you are towing a lot, 15+ times a year, you'll be happier with the diesel.

otherwise I would probably get a 3/4 ton with a gas V8. I'm not %100 sold on the ecoboost. I don't think the MPG gains are all that impressive and I would rather have 2 more cylinders than twin turbo. Spark plugs/coil packs are a lot cheaper to change out than turbos.
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Originally Posted by marshmallow View Post
Riding back from Montana to Maryland as we speak and my 5.4 is showing its age and how underpowered it is. Either one is affordable. But I feel like I'm right on the line of the diesel being too much and the eco boost not being enough.

My boat and trailer weigh around 4500lbs, and we're going to be purchasing a camper in the 6-7000lb range. We travel around hunting, and my 5.4 pulling a 6200lb camper through the hills of North Dakota and Montana got me a whopping 5.2mpg lol.

If you were in my shoes, what would you do?
Go test drive an eco boost. You are not pulling nay where near the limits of an f150 eco boost with an HD tow package (near 11k pounds I believe). The torque off the line will possibly fool you into thinking you have a diesel until you realize how smooth and quiet it is.
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With a light load like you have, any new half ton gas truck will do perfectly. I would not even consider diesel for that load, unless you have some other use for it.
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Been there w same decision. Had Durmax ( geo trip) purchased 3.5EB 4x4 3:55 short bed crew. Best decision made in long time. Boat weight 7K pull like dream towing mpg 10-11. Otherwise 15-21 love fact fuel everywhere and 50 cents cheaper plus no additive or 60 dollar oil change
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Also, just as a point of reference, I have a 5.7 liter gas motor pulling a 4500lb boat. A friend of mine has an ecodiesel, pulling a 6000 lb boat. Both trucks are 2014 models. He and I made the exact same trip. He averaged 18 mpg, while I averaged 15.9 pulling said boats.
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Originally Posted by Turtle9343 View Post
With a light load like you have, any new half ton gas truck will do perfectly. I would not even consider diesel for that load, unless you have some other use for it.
Every now and again I pull 10-12000lbs of feed with my dad's older cummins. And I'd be taking over that once I get a new truck. 2-3 times a year.
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Really also depend if this will be your daily driver...my commute is 68 miles daily, boat in 5000# range towed almost weekly and the once a year long distance vaca with boat in tow... Ecodiesel all the way...23 mpg daily average for work commute, 18 towing boat around Dallas lakes and 15 in head winds across southern states....gasser would've been 5 mpg lower on all the above if I had gone with the hemi version of the ram 1500. Only draw back is the $180 oil changes every 10k miles.... I am with turtle ....your other uses will be important here..
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ecoboost is plenty. I have had 3 of them. I have a 2015 with the 355 gear and max tow package rated at 12,000 pounds. The low end torque will out pull all the 1/2 ton trucks. I have a tuner on mine. Puts it at 430 HP and 500 ft torque. Its a rocket. Was doing 120 MPH yesterday on the interstate and it was still pulling hard. Its a blast to drive. The ecodiesel is another option. But there has been plenty of problems with that engine. Parts are on backorder for some of the problems. Some people have had great luck with them and others haven't. You don't need a 3/4 ton for your uses.
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My 3.5 EB tows 7000 lbs with ease.

Depending on how many times and how far you tow, I would consider the diesel for fuel mileage.

I can squeeze 10.5 - 11 mpg out of the EB towing with the cruise control set at 60 mph. If I go over that, fuel mileage goes way down.

If you tow hundreds of miles at a time all through the year, I would at least look at a diesel.

One thing is for sure though, the EB will tow what you listed with no problem.
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The diesel will have double the torque and twice the suspension.
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Look at the Ecodiesel. Best of both worlds. Notice the mpg of the one above while towing a 6000#boat. I don't believe that there have been a ton of problems with the engine. What there has been has been WELL publicized. I have one at 15k on the odometer and love it
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Originally Posted by vettnman View Post
I don't believe that there have been a ton of problems with the engine. What there has been has been WELL publicized. I have one at 15k on the odometer and love it
Don't be so sure. Ram has been known to pay off people who have problems with them so they don't talk. Remember the THT member who posted his troubles with the ecodiesel, then mysteriously we never heard another word on the subject from him after it got fixed? I'm not saying they aren't good reliable motors, just saying don't fool yourself into thinking they are, just because you haven't heard of the problems. They certainly do have issues.
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Any half ton truck these days with a decent tow package will manhandle those loads your towing. Ecoboost gets my vote. Just sold my diesel 250 and will be back in a half ton very soon.
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Originally Posted by Turtle9343 View Post
Also, just as a point of reference, I have a 5.7 liter gas motor pulling a 4500lb boat. A friend of mine has an ecodiesel, pulling a 6000 lb boat. Both trucks are 2014 models. He and I made the exact same trip. He averaged 18 mpg, while I averaged 15.9 pulling said boats.

Is that hand calculated MPG?

The numbers for the EcoDiesel sound good but I have a Tundra with a 5.7 and I average about 15.9 when NOT towing, so that's kind of hard to believe.
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Is that hand calculated MPG?

The numbers for the EcoDiesel sound good but I have a Tundra with a 5.7 and I average about 15.9 when NOT towing, so that's kind of hard to believe.
While a great truck, it's been common knowledge for a long time that this generation of Tundra is the worst pig currently out there in the MPG department.
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That is both in dash calculated and hand calculated. It is a stock truck, so the in dash is dead on correct, every time.

This link is to a thread I started, covering a nearly 3000 mile trip towing my boat. It shows everything you could possibly care to see, as far as details on the truck and trip.

http://www.tundratalk.net/forums/tun...eage-test.html
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Originally Posted by gf View Post
Is that hand calculated MPG?
I have a Tundra with a 5.7 and I average about 15.9 when NOT towing, so that's kind of hard to believe.
When not towing, my average is just under 20 mpg. My goal when I bought the truck was to be at 20, but that doesn't look like it's going to happen. The truck is a 2014 Tundra Crewmax, two wheel drive.
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I have nothing personal against ram and as a matter of fact think they look great, I also love the ecodiesel in theory. However I've followed the ecodiesel forum the last few months and there are alot......... and I mean ALOT of unhappy people on the forum. Tons of annoying small electrical issues and also some flat out blown motors. Just saying that kind of scares me away.
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Originally Posted by sonickevin95 View Post
I have nothing personal against ram and as a matter of fact think they look great, I also love the ecodiesel in theory. However I've followed the ecodiesel forum the last few months and there are alot......... and I mean ALOT of unhappy people on the forum. Tons of annoying small electrical issues and also some flat out blown motors. Just saying that kind of scares me away.
Totally agree. I always think Dodge has put more quality into thier 3/4 and 1 ton line than 1/2 ton trucks. Just google ecodiesel problems and you could read all day about it

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