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Old 05-21-2021, 08:29 AM
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I know where this thread is going to go, but before it does I'm going to share my thoughts on the LX570 and then let ya'll have at it.

First, I'm not a LX570 owner, I'm shopping for a full size luxury SUV. The wife and I test drove a CPO 2020 Lexus LX570 yesterday. I had been trying for months to get her to consider it due to Lexus's reputation since we tend to buyers not leasers. They have one on the local lot which has a dark red interior and very comfortable, high quality leather front seats. Loved the wood and leather steering wheel, cooled console for drinks is a nice touch, Mark Levenson audio, etc. Engine was smooth enough and transmission was absolutely seamless. Yes, it still drove a bit like a body-on-frame SUV but still nice. There is a lot to like, but....

The 2nd row backrest are manual and I could not get comfortable. There is just was not much room in the 2nd row because the seats won't slide back far due to rear wheel wells and the recline function is just not comfortable. This is actually important as my teen daughter likes to ride in the front seat and I prefer to sit in the back seat where I can stretch out in my wife's current SUV. I'm not even tall and this was an issue.

The 3rd row seats store up against the side walls of the rear cargo area as opposed to flat. At first, I thought "that's cool" and then started looking at it and noticed that there is very little usable cargo room with the 3rd row seats stowed because they still take up a lot of the floor space. Looking at it more, it they stored flat like most modern SUVs, then the cargo floor would be really high due to the body-on-frame design but many others have figured this out. Cargo Room is something we need.

No Apple Car Play on a 2020 luxury vehicle?! How in the hell does a Tundra have Carplay and the flagship Lexus is still missing it? Salesman says he confirmed it can't be added with a software update either.

My summary: It's built well but it's not a full-size luxury SUV. It's a tall mid-size luxury SUV that is designed well for driver and front passenger comfort; It's designed poorly for anything behind the front seats. They've taken an off-road worthy SUV, built it to a high standard, and outfitted with luxury leather which all sounds like great until you at how we and most people would actually use it.

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My dad just bought a 570 and it’s an amazing vehicle. How large are you? I’m not small 6’3 240 and the rear didn’t see bad to me, less room than my tundra but most everything else has less than that. In regard to the cargo and storage it has less to do with body on frame(which is far more rugged and preferred) and more to do with the solid rear axle and the room that takes up. You get a good glimpse of this in the newer version of the Tahoe vs the 19 or 20 which still had a solid rear. It’s a full size suv all day, as is a QX80/armada, Tahoe/Yukon etc. slightly less room in the back and I will agree, 2nd row captains chairs are far preferred over the Bench. I’d like to see them incorporate that into the 570 at some point. He also kept his 2001 Lx470 which has 225k on it and runs just as smooth today as the day he bought it. That’s why most choose the LC/570 not the manual arm rests in the back lmao. Good luck with the suv search.
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I would buy a new Yukon over a LX 570 anyday. That platform is old...
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New LX coming in '22. Look at Tundra's, Sequoia, etc....they are all stale in terms of technology.

Given your experience with GM, what about an Expedition or Navigator?
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There are only 2 true full size SUV's platforms on the market. GM's Suburban size, and Ford's Expedition Max. All the rest are something smaller, and have too many compromises to be of good value. If a vehicle is going to have 3 rows of seating, it should have cargo space to fill up those seats and bags for all its occupants without needing a roof rack or hitch carrier.
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Originally Posted by Parthery View Post
New LX coming in '22. Look at Tundra's, Sequoia, etc....they are all stale in terms of technology.

Given your experience with GM, what about an Expedition or Navigator?
OP here is your answer. The Yukon, suburban and expedition will all have more room than the lx. The lx is great... just not for everybody. Out of those 3 I listed above I would rank them expedition-Yukon-suburban. The navigator might be slightly higher than the lx in terms of price but it a truly awesome suv. I would definitely go with captains chairs for the second row no matter what you get. I find they are much more comfortable than the bench.
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Originally Posted by Parthery View Post
New LX coming in '22. Look at Tundra's, Sequoia, etc....they are all stale in terms of technology.

Given your experience with GM, what about an Expedition or Navigator?
I test drove an Expedition Platinum about 6 months ago when I was considering replacing my truck. There is nothing wrong with it per say but we're really looking for something a little more refined. We're not sold on the Navigator either and I admit I have a mental block to paying $90K+ for a Ford product. You're correct that I wouldn't buy another GM for the price of a ham sandwich.

She wants a unicorn and thus we have yet to find anything worthy of spending big bucks on. Well, she found it in a Range Rover L but that's not happening. What she really wants is for me to trade my truck in on something an Expedition Max, so she can drive a Porsche Cayenne S. As long as I have my truck though, she needs a SUV with a lot more room than a Porsche..

She wants to go look at the MB GLS again, we'll see... maybe I can stall for another year. I was really thinking the LX570 was going to be the answer that made sense.

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My 2019 has power rear seats, at least the slide is power.

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Given all of the current options we recently bought a MB GLS-580. It is one of the nicest and best equipped SUV's we've ever owned.
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We are on our second 200 series Landcruiser. Fits us and how we use it very well. We favor reliability and capability. Different needs and wants. I would expect the Lexus to have all the extras you are looking for compared to the sister LC though and understand the buyer that seeks a Lexus would be disappointed in it not having them. I am sure the market has what you are looking for though.
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My wife looked at both then traded her 2nd GX460 on a Navigator. She loves it. The Raptor engine performs great. 30 way adjustable seats mean that you will never find the best position. Not my thing, but she likes it and never wants to drive my pickup or Jeep.

It’s a mid level with rear captains chairs, AWD and 22” wheels (which I don’t care much for the short sidewalls). Used CarPro and got it new for a price about the same as a Platinum Expedition.
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As you probably know the LX570 is nothing more than a 200 series Landcruiser dressed up by Lexus to be a "luxury" vehicle. However that platform is now 13 years old and apart from some minor updates it hasn't really changed much through its life. Those shortcomings exist in the Landcruiser models as well and are reflective of the age of the vehicle.

In Australia the 200 sells well as the vast majority want it for either off-road adventuring or touring/towing (I have one). Here the price is steep, and especially so considering the lack of standard equipment for that price. The Lexus is also available here but virtually no-one buys it - if they are looking for proper luxury at that price point it's not even in the race.
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Originally Posted by On the Half Shell View Post
I test drove an Expedition Platinum about 6 months ago when I was considering replacing my truck. There is nothing wrong with it per say but we're really looking for something a little more refined. We're not sold on the Navigator either and I admit I have a mental block to paying $90K+ for a Ford product. You're correct that I wouldn't buy another GM for the price of a ham sandwich.

She wants a unicorn and thus we have yet to find anything worthy of spending big bucks on. Well, she found it in a Range Rover L but that's not happening. What she really wants is for me to trade my truck in on something an Expedition Max, so she can drive a Porsche Cayenne S. As long as I have my truck though, she needs a SUV with a lot more room than a Porsche..

She wants to go look at the MB GLS again, we'll see... maybe I can stall for another year. I was really thinking the LX570 was going to be the answer that made sense.
The LC300, and I expect the derivative Lexus version, is due to be announced very soon, probably before the end of this month. However I have read rumours that it won't be released in the US.
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You can’t pay 90 for a Ford but you’ll pay 100 for a Toyota?

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I have a 2015 lx570. The second row seats are super comfortable IMO. I can say that the engine and tranny are dead nuts reliable and whisper quiet. The LX570 is an absolute tank. Heavy AF. All wheel drive. I drove one through a cat 1 hurricane and it was planted. Never felt unsafe. My 2015 is now 6 years old and it’s squeak free. Still feels very special when I drive it. A 2013-2015 LX can be had for 40k. Its a tremendous value.

I also have a 2016 ford expo limited. It is a year newer and has 25k less miles on it than my Lexus. The truck is a rattle trap. You cant compare build quality. Apples vs hand grenade.

Pro’s-
Reliable
safe
great resale
last forever
can out wheel every stock vehicle on the planet except a rubicon.

cons-
gas pig
small gas tank
dated infotainment
21 inch wheels suck.
a face only a mother could love

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Originally Posted by andosan View Post
The Lexus is also available here but virtually no-one buys it - if they are looking for proper luxury at that price point it's not even in the race.
Curious...what fills that niche in the large SUV market there?
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This is going to be sacrilege: you need a minivan.
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Get the range. Just 1s and 0s.
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Originally Posted by Pro69SS View Post
You can’t pay 90 for a Ford but you’ll pay 100 for a Toyota?
Generally, yes I would pay $100K for a Toyota before I paid $90K for a Ford; but I'm not paying $90-100K for the LX570 because of the shortcomings above.
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Originally Posted by autobaun70 View Post
There are only 2 true full size SUV's platforms on the market. GM's Suburban size, and Ford's Expedition Max. All the rest are something smaller, and have too many compromises to be of good value. If a vehicle is going to have 3 rows of seating, it should have cargo space to fill up those seats and bags for all its occupants without needing a roof rack or hitch carrier.
Then even those need another 2' of length to accommodate the gear/luggage for 8/9 passengers if you are looking at it from a long trip type aspect.

The 3rd Row seats in the LC200/LX570 are easily removed if you are not constantly using them. We often use them and stow them up when not in use. Never had one issue getting whatever items we needed in them such as on a Sam's run where there is a lot of bulk items or on a road trip where it wasn't everyone in the car and the third row is occupied by a couple of growing boys.

I thought about an Expedition Max as a replacement until I drove one. They are decent but do not come close to the LC/LX models in ride or quality. The Tahoe/Yukon/Suburban/Expedition series of vehicles are not in the same class. All of them fall apart after a few years or become rattle traps.
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