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Old 06-10-2021, 10:38 AM
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Originally Posted by pathfinder11 View Post
i guess as a new guy on here u just want to hijack threads to your discretion? start a new thread if you have no input or value to the op's original discussion.
This happens with every Toyota thread on THT. The same guys turn it into a sales numbers threads and the same arguments are made on both sides. There will never be progress in this conversation because we don't agree on the metrics being used to measure success. Apparently, it's sales numbers for some guys and for some it's reliability, sometimes at the expense of features or design.

When I created this thread, my intent was to express surprised disappointment that the LX570 didn't fit my family's needs which was due to lack of room, as well as my frustration with lack of Car Play on a new luxury vehicle in 2021. It inevitably turned into a debate of reliability vs design, Toyota vs Big 3, as it always does. Then the guys jump in talking sales numbers as always and I or someone comments about how those numbers are meaningless to us as the consumer.. and that Toyota fans tout that reliability reigns supreme as the metric to measure a vehicle.

Same old story, week after week.
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Originally Posted by magua View Post
look no one intended to scuttle the thread. Truth be told "dis appointed" was part of the title in the thread. Disappointment and lack of sales go hand in hand.

Some feelings are hurt because objectivity may be lacking for a few and their favorite vehicle is getting discussed in ways an adult should be able to handle - especially when facts are presented.
only in your mind and the 1 or two guys out of 50 who have posted on here, As the op above stated it's total bs. Congrats on killing a thread, well done.
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Originally Posted by AR2186 View Post
A discussion about the LandCruiser/LX broke out in the context of a conversation compared to other full size SUVs. Do you think that discussing the relative merits of each vehicle should exclude a conversation about relative popularity and the reasons for that relative popularity?

Again, you're free to unsubscribe if you have nothing more to offer in a discussion about the LC/LX and the reasons the OP was disappointed.
"Again, you're free to unsubscribe if you have nothing more to offer in a discussion about the LC/LX and the reasons the OP was disappointed."

Do you own one or have u ever owned one? Those of us that have or do have chimed in with relevant discussion, unlike your petty bs that never seems to want to end. Are u on here to argue or contribute?

Do you really think u are contributing anything to this thread and the op's original post? If u do then that will explain a lot.

Reminds me of a watch thread on here that guys who like watches show and discuss them. Every 6 months or so it gets a guy who will post "why do I need a watch other than my 19.99 fossil" or "I have a phone". Some people just have to put their useless 2cents worth in.

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Originally Posted by pathfinder11 View Post
"Again, you're free to unsubscribe if you have nothing more to offer in a discussion about the LC/LX and the reasons the OP was disappointed."

Do you own one or have u ever owned one? Those of us that have or do have chimed in with relevant discussion, unlike your petty bs that never seems to want to end. Are u on here to argue or contribute?

Do you really think u are contributing anything to this thread and the op's original post? If u do then that will explain a lot.

Reminds me of a watch thread on here that guys who like watches show and discuss them. Every 6 months or so it gets a guy who will post "why do I need a watch other than my 19.99 fossil" or "I have a phone". Some people just have to put their useless 2cents worth in.

I just went through this entire process of deciding what to buy and went with a GX instead of the LX for many of the same reasons the OP didn't go LX - not enough space behind the third row. The fold down seats of the GX make it far more usable vs the fold-to-the-side seats. I've previously owned a suburban and done extensive driving / some towing with my in-laws '17 Armada. This is the first time I've ever personally bought a Japanese car, and it did it for the reliability and toughness at the expense of tech and am more than satisfied. As I've said before, I'm a Mopar fan first and foremost and was planning on buying a Tahoe or another Suburban until my wife decided she didn't want to drive a pickup truck sized SUV.

The discussion went toward discussing the vehicles and the reason the LX / LC are purposefully designed not to be as big as the full size / extended size SUVs. The sales numbers came up when people like yourself, who don't understand what a LC is designed for, start ranting about relative popularity. Ultimately all that matters is you are happy with your vehicles, the OP was not happy with the LX and we all enjoy our time on our boats. Some people want tech and space, some people like knowing they can drive to the end of the earth and back without breaking down. I'm glad we've had the option for the LC/LX over the years and saddened they aren't brining the new LC to the states. Choice and freedom are great

We're long past the "contributing" part and at the "attempt to educate the ignorant" stage. I guess some people can't help but think they are always right.


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Originally Posted by AR2186 View Post
A discussion about the LandCruiser/LX broke out in the context of a conversation compared to other full size SUVs. Do you think that discussing the relative merits of each vehicle should exclude a conversation about relative popularity and the reasons for that relative popularity?

Again, you're free to unsubscribe if you have nothing more to offer in a discussion about the LC/LX and the reasons the OP was disappointed.
The OP's point was about his disappointment vs other full size SUV's.

You got butthurt people preferred a different product then you are in love with.

Personally, the LC would have been the only Toyota product I'd look at, and have looked at. But it's hard to get around a 24 gallon tank with a very thirsty engine.

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Originally Posted by AR2186 View Post
I just went through this entire process of deciding what to buy and went with a GX instead of the LX for many of the same reasons the OP didn't go LX - not enough space behind the third row. The fold down seats of the GX make it far more usable vs the fold-to-the-side seats. I've previously owned a suburban and done extensive driving / some towing with my in-laws '17 Armada. This is the first time I've ever personally bought a Japanese car, and it did it for the reliability and toughness at the expense of tech and am more than satisfied. As I've said before, I'm a Mopar fan first and foremost and was planning on buying a Tahoe or another Suburban until my wife decided she didn't want to drive a pickup truck sized SUV.

The discussion went toward discussing the vehicles and the reason the LX / LC are purposefully designed not to be as big as the full size / extended size SUVs. The sales numbers came up when people like yourself, who don't understand what a LC is designed for, start ranting about relative popularity. Ultimately all that matters is you are happy with your vehicles, the OP was not happy with the LX and we all enjoy our time on our boats. Some people want tech and space, some people like knowing they can drive to the end of the earth and back without breaking down. I'm glad we've had the option for the LC/LX over the years and saddened they aren't brining the new LC to the states. Choice and freedom are great

We're long past the "contributing" part and at the "attempt to educate the ignorant" stage. I guess some people can't help but think they are always right.
So you had the same opinion and went in another direction and you wonder why so many else had a similar experience? Much like you...people bought something else and the reason why they are getting discontinued.
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Originally Posted by RyanL11 View Post
The OP point was about his disappointment vs other full size SUV's.

You got butthurt people preferred a different product then you are in love with.

Personally, the LC would have been the only Toyota product I'd look at, and have looked at. But it's hard to get around a 24 gallon tank with a very thirsty engine.
Butthurt? Dude grow up.

I like the LC, itís an awesome platform but it doesnít serve everyoneís purpose and thatís fine.

I love my Wrangler JKU, I love my Grand Cherokee Trailhawk. I really like our GX. I donít love the LC - there are plenty of limitation and itís strengths arenít appreciated by everyone (clearly)
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Originally Posted by RyanL11 View Post
So you had the same opinion and went in another direction and you wonder why so many else had a similar experience? Much like you...people bought something else and the reason why they are getting discontinued.
If I was in the market for a new car, I would have bought it, but itís for my wife.

I can be saddened they are discontinuing it for a ton of reasons, not least of which is I would buy one down the road. Right now I have a lifetime warranty on my Grand Cherokee so that ďdown the roadĒ is a while
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Originally Posted by On the Half Shell View Post
After living in Asia and Europe, I can testify that is true but it's not for reasons implied. Generally, people don't tow 25' boats or 30' RVs in Europe or Asia. They also need something with better than 14 MPG due to the cost of fuel. The old cities of Europe and parking do not accommodate vehicles the size of a suburban very well. You can't drive it or park too easily in Seoul either..

Taking the family on a long drive vacation with kitchen sink in the trunk is an American thing. Perhaps because our vehicles allow it, but it has been happending for decasdes and I would argue the design of our vehicles adapted to the active rural/suburban lifestyle.

Interestingly, over the past few years, I've worked with several Italian citizens here in the US on visas. Some of them have adopted to the US lifestyle and drive mid--sive SUVs that are not available back in Italy much less common., They love the utility of it.

For us... a long weekend or weeklong vacation involves 3-4 passengers with female size luggage, 3 dogs with 2 collapsible kennels, 2 paddleboards, 3 bikes, and a boat. When major hurricanes threaten south FL, I am engaged with work and not with the famiily... while the wife, 3 dogs, and kid evacuate with guns, valuables, documents, etc in the cargo area. Hence, European sedans and mini-SUVs do not fit our needs.

This thread motivated me to look online yesterday at 2-row LX570... none in my area, all are 3-row and as I said in my original post, I can't stand the way the LX 3rd row stows and takes up room.. I don't need seating for 5+ passengers but I need covered cargo room, and want LX, MB level refinement with Toyota level reliability, and the wife is not driving a truck with a camper shell. Maybe I just need a new truck instead of the wife getting a new SUV.
It sounds based on your uses that the Tahoe/Escalade/suburban, or the Expedition/Navigator are your realistic options. Have you considered the Lincoln Navigator?

Itís looking like the 2023 Lexus LX will still be based on the (300 series) Land Cruiser. It should have fold down third row, better mileage, and Iím sure CarPlay at that point, but it will still be too small for 4 passengers, luggage, two big dogs and kennels. It sounds like Expedition or Navigator if you donít want the Suburban. The Range Rover sounds too small even if it wasnít so unreliable.
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Originally Posted by 71Outrage View Post
It sounds based on your uses that the Tahoe/Escalade/suburban, or the Expedition/Navigator are your realistic options. Have you considered the Lincoln Navigator?

Itís looking like the 2023 Lexus LX will still be based on the (300 series) Land Cruiser. It should have fold down third row, better mileage, and Iím sure CarPlay at that point, but it will still be too small for 4 passengers, luggage, two big dogs and kennels. It sounds like Expedition or Navigator if you donít want the Suburban. The Range Rover sounds too small even if it wasnít so unreliable.
I drove an Expedition about a year ago and we've considered the Navigator but not seriously, The wife really doesn't want to drive something quite that big and I have a mental block with paying $90K for a Ford (Lincoln) and certainly not doing it with a GM.

We have the luxury of not needing a vehicle right this minute so we get sidetracked with other things in life. If you twisted my arm and forced us to buy an SUV today for the wife to drive, it would likely be a MB GLS but I would re-look a 2-row LX before I pulled the trigger. If I'm the one driving it, then the Navigator may come into stronger consideration. Too bad there is no Lexus Sequoia.

In my mind what makes the most sense if for me to put a camper shell on my truck and buy a Panamera or 911 but I don't think I'm going to win that argument.
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Originally Posted by RyanL11 View Post
The OP's point was about his disappointment vs other full size SUV's.

You got butthurt people preferred a different product then you are in love with.

Personally, the LC would have been the only Toyota product I'd look at, and have looked at. But it's hard to get around a 24 gallon tank with a very thirsty engine.
It does suck some gas down, haven't done a road trip so we'll see how that goes. Unfortunately, it's the second worse mpg car in the garage by a small margin. Here's to cheap gas and big engines!
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I love competition. There is an ass for every seat. I love a g-wagon, and an old na defender.

I love the LC. I think it is somewhat exotic. I love that people thrash em in the uae and Australia.

I love that SEALS have mildly modified them and driven them all over Afghanistan. The UN uses them quite a bit in the third world. It makes em interesting.

my wife drives a Ford expo. Itís a rattle trap compared to my lx. ďBut it doesnít have CarPlay!Ē GTFO. One day my grandkids will be driving it.

If itís good enough for the Saudi royal family, itís good enough for me.
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Originally Posted by autobaun70 View Post
Why don't big American vehicles do well other places?
I can only speak for the Australian market; itís a combination of factors.

Fuel is more expensive here than the US although cheaper than Europe.

Diesels are massively popular especially with anyone who wants to venture far beyond the major cities. We have a lot of truly remote places to visit where diesel gives more range and is often the only fuel option.

We have stricter regulations on towing. Any personal trailered load over 2.5m (8í2Ē) is considered a wide load and subject to restrictions; anything over 9í is not allowed. Also towing a load over 4.5 metric tonnes (10000lbs) requires a heavy vehicle licence.

Our infrastructure is not set up for vehicles much larger than a Landcruiser. Parking garages, houses etc.

As a small RHD market itís often difficult for US manufacturers to justify building vehicles to suit our market.

A lot of proper 4wd vehicles actually get used for off-roading and what you guys would call over landing. The Landcruiser is simply a better platform for that than any of your large pickups and SUVs.

American cars and trucks have styling that most Australians donít like (to put it politely). They also have a somewhat justifiable reputation for poor build quality and reliability.

Finally I donít know anyone that takes other peopleís kids on family vacations.
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Originally Posted by ncmallard78 View Post
I love competition. There is an ass for every seat. I love a g-wagon, and an old na defender.

I love the LC. I think it is somewhat exotic. I love that people thrash em in the uae and Australia.

I love that SEALS have mildly modified them and driven them all over Afghanistan. The UN uses them quite a bit in the third world. It makes em interesting.

my wife drives a Ford expo. Itís a rattle trap compared to my lx. ďBut it doesnít have CarPlay!Ē GTFO. One day my grandkids will be driving it.

If itís good enough for the Saudi royal family, itís good enough for me.
Well I've spent many a day driving LC, Prado, and a Hilux around Afganistan. I also shot up a few. When it comes to my $90K, I want Apple Car Play included.
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Originally Posted by ncmallard78 View Post
I love competition. There is an ass for every seat. I love a g-wagon, and an old na defender.

I love the LC. I think it is somewhat exotic. I love that people thrash em in the uae and Australia.

I love that SEALS have mildly modified them and driven them all over Afghanistan. The UN uses them quite a bit in the third world. It makes em interesting.

my wife drives a Ford expo. Itís a rattle trap compared to my lx. ďBut it doesnít have CarPlay!Ē GTFO. One day my grandkids will be driving it.

If itís good enough for the Saudi royal family, itís good enough for me.
US Special Forces used Land Cruisers extensively in Syria as well https://forum.ih8mud.com/attachments...-jpeg.2101704/
https://forum.ih8mud.com/attachments...-jpeg.2101705/

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Originally Posted by andosan View Post
I can only speak for the Australian market; itís a combination of factors.

Fuel is more expensive here than the US although cheaper than Europe.

Diesels are massively popular especially with anyone who wants to venture far beyond the major cities. We have a lot of truly remote places to visit where diesel gives more range and is often the only fuel option.

We have stricter regulations on towing. Any personal trailered load over 2.5m (8í2Ē) is considered a wide load and subject to restrictions; anything over 9í is not allowed. Also towing a load over 4.5 metric tonnes (10000lbs) requires a heavy vehicle licence.

Our infrastructure is not set up for vehicles much larger than a Landcruiser. Parking garages, houses etc.

As a small RHD market itís often difficult for US manufacturers to justify building vehicles to suit our market.

A lot of proper 4wd vehicles actually get used for off-roading and what you guys would call over landing. The Landcruiser is simply a better platform for that than any of your large pickups and SUVs.

American cars and trucks have styling that most Australians donít like (to put it politely). They also have a somewhat justifiable reputation for poor build quality and reliability.

Finally I donít know anyone that takes other peopleís kids on family vacations.
guess thatís understandable. Is Australia not requiring clean diesels w/ def at this point? Thought yíall were close to being on the same page as the US on that front.
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Originally Posted by autobaun70 View Post
guess thatís understandable. Is Australia not requiring clean diesels w/ def at this point? Thought yíall were close to being on the same page as the US on that front.
Australian standards are based on Euro 5 IIRC, pretty similar to ours. The diesels give you a ton more range with the same fuel tank capacity.

For example the Australian LC Prado comes with a rear mounted spare like the Wrangler so that you can get an extra fuel tank under the trunk to maximize range, but in other parts of the world itís under trunk mounted like on the GX
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Originally Posted by AR2186 View Post
Australian standards are based on Euro 5 IIRC, pretty similar to ours. The diesels give you a ton more range with the same fuel tank capacity.

For example the Australian LC Prado comes with a rear mounted spare like the Wrangler so that you can get an extra fuel tank under the trunk to maximize range, but in other parts of the world itís under trunk mounted like on the GX
that's pretty much all the way stupid. That we canít get the good mechanical features in the US. Not that they have them elsewhere.
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Originally Posted by autobaun70 View Post
that's pretty much all the way stupid. That we canít get the good mechanical features in the US. Not that they have them elsewhere.
Custom off road shops can order second long range tanks for Land Cruisers from Australia. You can add 12 gallons and still get the spare under the vehicle, or larger tanks that require the spare to be mounted on a swing out on the rear of the truck. Iím tempted as 14mpg and a 24 gallon tank means a lot of fill ups.
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Originally Posted by 71Outrage View Post
Custom off road shops can order second long range tanks for Land Cruisers from Australia. You can add 12 gallons and still get the spare under the vehicle, or larger tanks that require the spare to be mounted on a swing out on the rear of the truck. Iím tempted as 14mpg and a 24 gallon tank means a lot of fill ups.
once the GX becomes mine it will be getting the overseas parts to make it a proper Prado. Should be a pretty easy conversion

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