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Old 04-30-2021, 11:29 AM
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I have a 2018 F150 4x4 with the ten speed transmission. I have towed several items with weights ranging from 4-9k pounds on a regular basis and have had zero issues with the truck or transmission. I have even posted some replies in others threads stating my satisfaction with this vehicle as a daily driver and tow vehicle. My boat weighed 8600lbs, verified on cat scales, and it was towed on 10-12 1200 mile trips since January of 2018.
I say all of this to explain how I used my truck for work and play, towing or cruising I have been happy with its performance and it never had let me down, until last week. The truck rpms started fluctuating about 100 rpms while driving on flat ground. The next day the transmission started making a groan going into 3rd gear, the next afternoon it slipped in 5th gear when I left for work and 65 miles later I called a tow truck to haul it to the dealership as she wouldn’t go anymore.
Yep, I guess I worked it too hard. She is getting a new transmission to the tune of $6100.00, more gears cost more money I guess, with only 99,980 miles on the clock. Im not here complaining I just wanted to provide a real world update on the 10 speed when she is worked in her upper limits. Your mileage may vary and hopefully you get farther than me before having to replace your 10 speed.
Good luck.
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my real concern is the cost of fixing all this type of stuff is going to get to the point where a used car with no warranty left (or little left) is going to have little to no value....or more so "every day"cars like a truck or a Ford Focus will have the same used value as an out of warranty European Luxury car that is not a Porsche or a classic........which is to say 75% off

that gets to the point where smart money people simply are not going to spend on new cars.....car companies are going to have to drag out warranties to the length of time that they hook suckers up for loans these days so that means 72 to 84 months at least on major power train items and a lot of other items too

that or they and their dealers are going to have to get into the secondary warranty game in a meaningful way
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does this mean you are not going to find out what went wrong with the transmission and what it would need to just fix it, instead of buying a new transmission?

does Ford recommend servicing the drive train before 100K?
and did you?

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Old 04-30-2021, 11:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Insider View Post
my real concern is the cost of fixing all this type of stuff is going to get to the point where a used car with no warranty left (or little left) is going to have little to no value....or more so "every day"cars like a truck or a Ford Focus will have the same used value as an out of warranty European Luxury car that is not a Porsche or a classic........which is to say 75% off

that gets to the point where smart money people simply are not going to spend on new cars.....car companies are going to have to drag out warranties to the length of time that they hook suckers up for loans these days so that means 72 to 84 months at least on major power train items and a lot of other items too

that or they and their dealers are going to have to get into the secondary warranty game in a meaningful way

You can look at the cost of used cars now with 100K + miles on them, out of warranty to see that isn't happening any time soon.

The real goal from auto manufacturers is that no-one will ever "own" any new cars-you will just pay a subscription to drive one. Cadillac, Volvo, and I think even Jaguar have already tried it to varying degrees of success.

Eventually, that will be the model for all new vehicles, I imagine.
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You can look at the cost of used cars now with 100K + miles on them, out of warranty to see that isn't happening any time soon.

The real goal from auto manufacturers is that no-one will ever "own" any new cars-you will just pay a subscription to drive one. Cadillac, Volvo, and I think even Jaguar have already tried it to varying degrees of success.

Eventually, that will be the model for all new vehicles, I imagine.
a lot of those cars are not yet into the $4,500 to $6,000 transmission replacement cost range....other than the Euro Lux cars that have horrid resale value out of warranty

this same thing is going on with large farm equipment....electronics and lack of software access is driving a lot of farmers to look at particular models of tractor that are known bullet proof and the market for them is through the roof....no DEF, a lot less electronics, after market parts available, farmer can fix a lot of it in his shop and on and on

a number of farmers are buying some of those models and fixing them up and saying that will be their last tractor(s) before they retire...... but similar to part of what you said there are others that just lease and swap based on "per hour".......but those tractors are going to take a hit at resale and they will never be able to off load many of them overseas like they can with older US cars and tractors.....not to mention other car companies in the world will still build to the 3rd world market without concern for being "green" in those sales and some tractor companies will do the same
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In the 99,000 miles have you ever flushed the transmission? I think it’s ridiculous that any truck under a 5500 has a 10 speed tranny
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Originally Posted by Dillard88 View Post
In the 99,000 miles have you ever flushed the transmission? I think it’s ridiculous that any truck under a 5500 has a 10 speed tranny
Not to derail but just thought I would throw in for humor's sake.... if flushing keeps transmissions alive then my GMC 8-speed will last forever. Its been flushed 6 times in 82K miles with their Mobil-1 "super synthetic" to correct and then re-correct the infamous clunking issue related to ATF.
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Not great to hear. I also have the 2018 150 4x4 with a 10-speed. There are some rough shifts from time to time, but no real issues and tows the boat nice. I'm only at 28k miles. Hoping this isn't widespread though I know Ford has had a real go of it w transmissions lately.
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Originally Posted by 99yam40 View Post
does this mean you are not going to find out what went wrong with the transmission and what it would need to just fix it, instead of buying a new transmission?

does Ford recommend servicing the drive train before 100K?
and did you?

Not supposed to be serviced till 150k miles per Ford. No I won't find out what actually failed inside the transmission.

Edit-What I meant to say is, I will ask what failed but I doubt that they truly know, There are definitely more parts swappers around here than mechanics, especially at the dealership.
I was only posting because I hadnt seen any info on these failing but last night I saw where someone else on THT lost theirs at 77k. Mine is a work truck and gets put thru the ringer and I tow in its upper limits so Im truly not surprised that it failed at 100k.
Also to the one asking about flushes, I have had over 25 vehicles and put many miles on them in my time and so far have never flushed a transmission whether it was recommended or not. Have heard stories of good vehicles losing the transmission shortly after a flush so I never had it done. Not saying Im right just saying this is my first transmission failure in my life.

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Originally Posted by Blue Goose2 View Post
Not supposed to be serviced till 150k miles per Ford.
150k seems absolutely ridiculous, especially for the amount that you tow.

A flush every 50k or so for a transmission that gets worked as hard as yours could do wonders.

I’m a huge believer in flushing, I’ve noticed a positive difference every time I have ever had any of my vehicles transmission flushed.

Toyota/Lexus claims their transmission fluid is “lifetime.” Yea right, they get flushed too.
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I have heard if you're going to flush don't wait until you have 100k on it. Do it earlier at like 60K
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Originally Posted by Bfish View Post
I have heard if you're going to flush don't wait until you have 100k on it. Do it earlier at like 60K
yes. It’s also nearly impossible to check the trans fluid easily on regular fluid checks on most last model vehicles. Hardly anything has a trans dipstick under the hood
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That's a lot of weight for a f150
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Originally Posted by CalypsoNotch93 View Post
That's a lot of weight for a f150
I agree and am actually somewhat impressed with the transmission going 100K miles with that amount of towing and zero maintenance.

Is the replacement transmission for $6100 truly new or reman'd?
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There's the difference between 1/2 ton and 3/4 ton. With those weights and work schedule 100k on a tranny seems reasonable. With a 3/4 ton it would go a lot further. I've got 13 trucks in my fleet. Newer 1/2 tons ate trans or TC before 100k. 3/4 tons never changed a tranny yet.
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I just took my 2018 F150 4x4 to the shop last week. A wrench light showed up one morning and then went away. They had to flash the drivetrain control module.
Mine has the towing package and tows my boat very well although I've not taken any long trips with it yet.

It is paid off and I only have 10,200 miles on it and it goes out of warranty here in another few months. They are pushing an extended warranty so I'm going to contact them and see what it will cost. If it is too much I'll explain that with the trade value on it, my employee pricing and what they would charge, I might just trade it in on a new Nissan (5 year, 100,000 mile B2B) and ditch Ford altogether.

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Originally Posted by Insider View Post

that gets to the point where smart money people simply are not going to spend on new cars....
Been there for years...............
My truck is 18 yo, 300k . On its 2nd engine.

Maintenance and upkeep isn't free, nothing is free to drive.

But if a new engine is $5k..,.installed.... Short block is $3,500....., trans $3...... Leather interior parts like seat covers can be replaced for 1K..... Why would anybody spend 50 or 60k on another truck? Makes zero sense. Unless you just want to ride around in something new.

At the time I put my last engine in I spent about 8K on mine.... Front end, tires, interior spruce ups, stereo, rear view camera, seat heaters... On a 14 year old truck at time. 100K, 5 yrs later I've spent .....nothing. the only thing I don't like about my existing truck is gas mileage... I know it inside and out......... And in the last year I haven't driven it much. In the foreseeable future of my driving will be much less as well as working from home
substantial time is going to be a permanent thing
Back five years ago when I put an engine in mine, I looked at the alternatives at other used trucks. There was no way I was paying the prices for used high mileage. People do because they can't afford the new ones but that is retarded to spend $25,000 on a truck with more than 100,000 miles on it. Plus sales tax......no thanks.

Most people's problem is they have no money, they can only buy something if they can finance it. They also cannot afford major repairs.

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I have to applaud the OP, actually admitting he’s towed a lot at the upper limits, works his truck hard, and NOT complaining that it needs repairs. It’s refreshing. Most would argue and complain in this situation.
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Sounds like the transmission filter started plugging up and starving the trans for fluid / dropping pressure. Pretty wild ford doesn't recommend service before 150k on that unit, having the pan dropped, fluid and filter replaced would have likely prevented this.

Everyone talking about flushing the transmission keep in mind the filter isn't getting changed unless the pan is being dropped.
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Originally Posted by Blue Goose2 View Post
Not supposed to be serviced till 150k miles per Ford. No I won't find out what actually failed inside the transmission.

Edit-What I meant to say is, I will ask what failed but I doubt that they truly know, There are definitely more parts swappers around here than mechanics, especially at the dealership.
I was only posting because I hadnt seen any info on these failing but last night I saw where someone else on THT lost theirs at 77k. Mine is a work truck and gets put thru the ringer and I tow in its upper limits so Im truly not surprised that it failed at 100k.
Also to the one asking about flushes, I have had over 25 vehicles and put many miles on them in my time and so far have never flushed a transmission whether it was recommended or not. Have heard stories of good vehicles losing the transmission shortly after a flush so I never had it done. Not saying Im right just saying this is my first transmission failure in my life.
Not looking it up but wouldn't the 150K service be for normal use and there might be a different schedule for harsh use?

One more thought; never been a fan of flushing a transmission. I just do the fluid, filter change recommended.

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