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With the big automakers gearing up big time.......the wave is coming.......yes first it's here with cars, but then trucks too as TESLA is already showing..

Meaning.....parabolic shift from gas to electric.......realistically slow in the beginning, but most likely an eventual majority..
If the TESLA truck proves durable, stronger than fuel, and reasonable range......" faggetaboutit"

Let the nay saying begin !!!


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Electric may be the future, but not that soon. If Tesla is so far advanced, why are they using Ford Transit Connects for their service vehicles? I took this photo in Houston last week. It says to me, “when dependability is most important. a gas vehicle is necessary”.
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It will be part of the puzzle for sure. First segment with significant impact will be local fleets. Those have a ton of things going for them that make it work well. Most significantly, the low mileage for a given amount of seat time (100-200 miles per day, but all day), and generally being parked at night in largely industrial areas will make it a good fit. For the most part we have excess grid capacity at night, and plenty of ability to get it to industrial areas. Reduced maintenance will be a huge draw as well.
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Tesla's are too danged complicated, and they're very expensive to buy. Parts are only available from the manufacturer and they're priced out of sight. You might have to send one 2 hrs. to the nearest service center on a rollback. Nobody outside of the manufacturer knows how to work on one. Your local body shop couldn't rebuild one after an accident.

I traded my 3 year old Camry Hybrid 2 weeks ago for a 2021 Toyota Venza SUV Hybrid/AWD. Mine never saw the shop, and the shop is 10 miles from me. My vehicle runs great, and I've got a 500 mile range without filling up. Best thing is that both my Toyota's only cost the average cost for today's automobile.

Ford's F150 Hybrid/Ecoboost truck is now hitting dealerships, and I understand they're incredible vehicles @ 570 lbs of torque. and expected to get 27 mpg. They'll be fantastic vehicles too--without being 100% electric.

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Electric may be the future, but not that soon. If Tesla is so far advanced, why are they using Ford Transit Connects for their service vehicles? I took this photo in Houston last week. It says to me, “when dependability is most important. a gas vehicle is necessary”.
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If the EV's work and meet the needs of buyer then the change will occur. They are not at that point right now and subsidizing them won't change anything but who's paying.
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Originally Posted by Kr_1315 View Post
Electric may be the future, but not that soon. If Tesla is so far advanced, why are they using Ford Transit Connects for their service vehicles? I took this photo in Houston last week. It says to me, “when dependability is most important. a gas vehicle is necessary”.
same reason service vehicles for the Buick dealership are a Chevrolet. Buick doesn’t make trucks and vans.
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It's not a matter of if, it's when........and when is knocking on the door.
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Originally Posted by Garett View Post
It's not a matter of if, it's when........and when is knocking on the door.
I agree. The battery technology hast to develop some more and some other small improvements and I think you will see more and more on the road. One of Tesla's biggest competitors is a company in China I have been watching NIO is the name. They have some cool technologhy that they are using like this
Still a lot of improvement to be made but electric cars are moving forward quickly.
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Originally Posted by bgreene View Post
With the big automakers gearing up big time.......the wave is coming.......yes first it's here with cars, but then trucks too as TESLA is already showing..

Meaning.....parabolic shift from gas to electric.......realistically slow in the beginning, but most likely an eventual majority..
If the TESLA truck proves durable, stronger than fuel, and reasonable range......" faggetaboutit"

Let the nay saying begin !!!
While EV trucks may take off, I don't think Tesla will be leading the charge. The Cybertruck will be a niche product, it's a very polarizing design. Plus others will be to market with EV trucks long before Tesla, F150 will have an EV truck soon, GM has the Hummer, Rivian..etc.
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same reason service vehicles for the Buick dealership are a Chevrolet. Buick doesn’t make trucks and vans.
But the OPS statements was about trucks. Why not a Model X? It could configured with nearly the same cargo space. I wasn't asking why Teslas aren't delivered with a Tesla tractor/trailer combo. This is a fairly "apples to apples" comparison.
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EV's are coming. The Hummer is coming and with 1000hp, a sub 3.0 sec 0-60 a towing capacity that eclipses Raptor and TRX by 2 x's.
Should be fun to watch.
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Originally Posted by Kr_1315 View Post
Electric may be the future, but not that soon. If Tesla is so far advanced, why are they using Ford Transit Connects for their service vehicles? I took this photo in Houston last week. It says to me, “when dependability is most important. a gas vehicle is necessary”.
Thats what people first said when cars started replacing horses — for real !
I’ve put way over 150,000 miles on Prius and nothing failed on it......as in nothing.
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Tesla's are too danged complicated, and they're very expensive to buy. Parts are only available from the manufacturer and they're priced out of sight. You might have to send one 2 hrs. to the nearest service center on a rollback. Nobody outside of the manufacturer knows how to work on one. Your local body shop couldn't rebuild one after an accident.

I traded my 3 year old Camry Hybrid 2 weeks ago for a 2021 Toyota Venza SUV Hybrid/AWD. Mine never saw the shop, and the shop is 10 miles from me. My vehicle runs great, and I've got a 500 mile range without filling up. Best thing is that both my Toyota's only cost the average cost for today's automobile.

Ford's F150 Hybrid/Ecoboost truck is now hitting dealerships, and I understand they're incredible vehicles @ 570 lbs of torque. and expected to get 27 mpg. They'll be fantastic vehicles too--without being 100% electric.

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some valid points here, but I wouldn’t say they are complicated. Actually pretty simple
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But the OPS statements was about trucks. Why not a Model X? It could configured with nearly the same cargo space. I wasn't asking why Teslas aren't delivered with a Tesla tractor/trailer combo. This is a fairly "apples to apples" comparison.
model x is basically a rav 4. Hardly useful for toolboxes. Transit Connect is purpose built for vocational use.
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Originally Posted by autobaun70 View Post
model x is basically a rav 4. Hardly useful for toolboxes. Transit Connect is purpose built for vocational use.
Pretty sure a couple of toolboxes are no big deal for a Rav 4 here on THT! Lol
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There are lots of apps where EV's make good solid sense: Postal/delivery/UPS/Fed-ex vans. School buses. Ubers. Cabs. Local service trucks. Cars/trucks not expected to make long trips.

There will be more charging stations showing up in the next couple of years. But the real advantage is home charging or flat roof solar at Walmart.

But it will not be for everybody.

There will be incremental advances in range and charging rate, but I doubt there will be anything like doubling either. Kinda like the energy content of a gallon of gas has not really changed much in 120 yrs.

There is "low hanging fruit" in the market where EV's can work. And the market and products are evolving. But it won't be a good fit for everyone.

And the cost is too dang high right now!!
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Hopefully they improve. The EV’s all pretty much suck right now besides performance numbers. Im building 24 apartments, nowhere for my tenants to plug an EV in over night. They can get gas in 5 minutes. Faster charging needed or the EV will die to something with better regen time like hydrogen. Consumers aren’t going to go for added inconvenience. As cool as a Tesla would be, and I’d own one for around town. I could never own it as my sole vehicle until it gets better. Call me selfish but I’m not planning a week ahead for road trips and my crazy varying daily mileage between jobs to charge up. If they come up with a super fast full range charge then I’ll jump.

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Electric trucks will be commercially viable for those using trucks as nothing more than grocery getters. I won't buy an electric for my wife to drive to work and back until the prices come down from the atmosphere either. I already pay Elon for his space and car subsidies; no need to pay for GM, Ford's, and everyone else's R&D too.

Anyone who carries a payload or pulls a trailer more than 200 miles one-way will NEVER endure a vehicle with < 200 mile range requiring > 30 minutes to charge batteries back to 100%.

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same reason service vehicles for the Buick dealership are a Chevrolet. Buick doesn’t make trucks and vans.
I know that you know that Chevy and Buick ate the same company.
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Originally Posted by autobaun70 View Post
model x is basically a rav 4. Hardly useful for toolboxes. Transit Connect is purpose built for vocational use.
About 1/3 of the Transits we own are Connects. Perfect for 2 techs and the equipment they'll need in racks or Pelican cases. Cheaper to buy and cheaper to operate.

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