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Old 11-25-2020, 07:00 AM
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I have an 2017 EZ Loader tandem trailer that I purchased earlier this year. I've completed most the work I wanted to do on the boat that's on it and turned my attention to the trailer. Annually, I get out the impact gun, remove lug nuts one at a time, put some grease on the stud threads and put the lug back on.
A couple days ago tried this for the first time with this trailer and went 0 for 20 getting any lug nut off. I've WD'd and PB Blasted which I don't thing is even reaching the nut and stud due to the tapered seat between the wheel and nut. My guess is the lugs have never been removed and I'm wondering if the studs are reusable even if I do get the lugs off.
I'll have the boat off the trailer in the next day or two and hoping for a solution other than wringing all of them off and putting new studs on the hub.
Ideas?
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I have found that the Impact Gun may not have enough thump to get the lug nut off. Also did you jack the trailer up before trying to remove lug nut? Best to loosen them before jacking the trailer up so the hub doesn't spin. You may need to use a breaker bar ( Harborfreight $15-$20) with the impact socket to loosen the lug nut first and then you can use the impact the rest of the way. Depends on condition and how rusty the studs are you maybe able to reuse them. Maybe use a wire brush to clean them up, add grease/anti seize. Worst case is to put on new. Keep us posted. I'm also doing all my hubs. Putting on 2 NEW hubs and 2 NEW disc rotor hubs, calipers and pads. Poor maintenance on my part.

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Are you using a cordless impact gun? Ever since I got the Milwaukee Cordless Impact gun with 1400 ft -lbs of breakout force, I have not had issues removing stuck lug nuts. I own a large landscape company and we use that cordless impact gun all the time. Did you try tightening first a with impact gun? A breaker bar as mentioned should work. A combination of tapping the lug with a punch and slowing working the breaker bar should work. Also might try removing hub and a laying wheel upside and try soaking with PB Blaster or equivalent.
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The studs are pressed in the hub and will spin if too much torque is used. I just cut the lug nuts off with a zizz wheel
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Breaker bar with pipe on the end. If the lugs break, it's still a win!
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Haven’t had to try this, but worth a shot

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Thanks for the replies.
Here's a pic of one of the wheels - the worst one as far as rust on the lugs.
My impact tool is a 1/2" Drive pneumatic. I set my compressor on 100 psi when I'm using it and it thumps pretty good.
I did try a breaker bar but didn't put a pipe on it. I don't want to wring them off while the boat is on it. I'll likely launch the boat today.
Not sure if I could get a zizz wheel in there without tearing up the rim. I was thinking of cutting the end of the lug so I can get PB on the actual nut/stud.


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Breaker bar with a pipe, they will either come off or break the stud.

Either way can be fixed without tearing up the rim.
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Originally Posted by coastboater View Post
Thanks for the replies.
Here's a pic of one of the wheels - the worst one as far as rust on the lugs.
My impact tool is a 1/2" Drive pneumatic. I set my compressor on 100 psi when I'm using it and it thumps pretty good.
I did try a breaker bar but didn't put a pipe on it. I don't want to wring them off while the boat is on it. I'll likely launch the boat today.
Not sure if I could get a zizz wheel in there without tearing up the rim. I was thinking of cutting the end of the lug so I can get PB on the actual nut/stud.

I see the wax idea won’t work with this wheel. Have you tried heat yet? I would before drastic measures like cutting stuff.
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what air gun and how big is your tank? are you using a big enough hose as well? My old gun sucked but I got a new one several years ago and don't have a problem anymore. New gun plus a 60 gallon tank and a quality 3/8" hose flowed way more air without a pressure drop.

I have a cordless impact now that I use for most jobs, only need air if it's a BIG axle nut.

Breaker bar with a pipe is the last resort.
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Put a socket over the lug....smash it with a hammer a few times ...then loosen
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I had the same mess once. I heated mine to cherry red and they came right off. I would cut the torch down low to protect the mags.
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The gun is an Excel, which is Harbor Freight or Northern Tool. I've had it a long time. It's pretty heavy and usually loosens whatever I use it for. I adjusted the front bunk brackets on the same trailer right after I got it and the gun didn't have any trouble with those rusted nuts.😀
Compressor is an old Campbell Hausfield belt drive with a 30 gallon tank. About 25' of 3/8" ID line, so I wouldn't think too much air loss from that.
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Leverage is your friend, put down the air tools.
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Put a socket over the lug....smash it with a hammer a few times ...then loosen
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I had the same mess once. I heated mine to cherry red and they came right off. I would cut the torch down low to protect the mags.
I have a little propane torch I use to sweat copper pipes. I don't think it can get hot enough to damage the wheel, so I'll give this a try.


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Breaker bar with pipe on the end. If the lugs break, it's still a win!
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Breaker bar with a pipe, they will either come off or break the stud.

Either way can be fixed without tearing up the rim.
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My impact tool is from Harbour F - went slow and easy and it worked for me - also try the breaker bar to get it started

be careful go slow - went to fast one time and stripped one - dumbass I said to myself
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Is it just me or those lugs are too big for the wheel hole. Doesn't seem like you can get the impact socket to fully slide in and get the best grip to turn.
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Smash first....then yes leverage is your friend...

try the "Lance -0-Rachet 3000"
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