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Old 09-30-2020, 10:30 AM
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Going on a trip tomorrow so figured I'd go ahead and get it done. Huge fn mistake!! It's a F250 on 35s. Pull out of the shop and notice a vibration in the front and the steering wheel is shaking. As soon as I hit the brakes, all hell breaks loose. Sounds and feels like the tire is bouncing. Carry it back to the shop and I get the "not our fault, was only a rotation". Anyway, they rotate them back, charge me again, and I'm on my way. Rides like a dream now except the "hill decent control fault" and "service advancetrac" lights are on. Any idea wtf that is? Is it safe to drive like this? Leaving at 4am in the morning and this is the last thing I needed to happen.
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Bent wheel, bad tire, lost balancing weights, improper wheel installation (during 1st rotation) are all possibilities. I seem to remember that a tire & wheel with any of the first 3 problems listed will be much less obvious on the rear axle vs. the front.

The lights will probably go out after a few miles. A bad tire is the biggest worry from the list above.
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Tire rotation isn't always necessary on vehicles. A properly aligned car with properly inflated tires can have just as long tread life as a car that rotates at arbitrary intervals. As you found out, rotating tires on a vehicle that might be out of alignment or may have tricky front end geometry as such as a large truck with big tires can cause problems worse than premature tire wear. I inspect tires and I don't rotate them. If something is wearing unevenly I find the problem and fix it and I don't blindly rotate tires. Never tell the tire warranty people that you don't rotate tires, but I find tire warranties are usually not worth the paper they are printed on.
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Originally Posted by yarcraft91 View Post
Bent wheel, bad tire, lost balancing weights, improper wheel installation (during 1st rotation) are all possibilities. I seem to remember that a tire & wheel with any of the first 3 problems listed will be much less obvious on the rear axle vs. the front.

The lights will probably go out after a few miles. A bad tire is the biggest worry from the list above.
I've got some running around to do so maybe it'll resolve itself. Odd part is it didn't come on right away. They started flashing on and off 10-15 miles down the road the stayed on full time after that.
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Originally Posted by kcinnick2 View Post
Tire rotation isn't always necessary on vehicles. A properly aligned car with properly inflated tires can have just as long tread life as a car that rotates at arbitrary intervals. As you found out, rotating tires on a vehicle that might be out of alignment or may have tricky front end geometry as such as a large truck with big tires can cause problems worse than premature tire wear. I inspect tires and I don't rotate them. If something is wearing unevenly I find the problem and fix it and I don't blindly rotate tires. Never tell the tire warranty people that you don't rotate tires, but I find tire warranties are usually not worth the paper they are printed on.
Yeah, I'm really wishing I had just skipped it at this point. No warranty on these tires and I can't wait to replace em.
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Originally Posted by kcinnick2 View Post
Tire rotation isn't always necessary on vehicles. A properly aligned car with properly inflated tires can have just as long tread life as a car that rotates at arbitrary intervals. As you found out, rotating tires on a vehicle that might be out of alignment or may have tricky front end geometry as such as a large truck with big tires can cause problems worse than premature tire wear. I inspect tires and I don't rotate them. If something is wearing unevenly I find the problem and fix it and I don't blindly rotate tires. Never tell the tire warranty people that you don't rotate tires, but I find tire warranties are usually not worth the paper they are printed on.
This couldn't be any more wrong. Front tires will always wear out sooner than rears will, under normal driving conditions. And any good tech/tire salesman/service advisor/service manager can tell that tires were not rotated as well.
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Originally Posted by swflgroupertherapy View Post
This couldn't be any more wrong. Front tires will always wear out sooner than rears will, under normal driving conditions. And any good tech/tire salesman/service advisor/service manager can tell that tires were not rotated as well.
Yes, fronts tend to wear a little faster (and differently) depending on driving habits. Hard cornering will wear the outside edge first. Rear tires tend to wear more evenly and slower. Trucks with LSD in the rear will sometimes wear the rears just as fast as the fronts, due to occasional chirps when stopped and merging onto a road with moderate traffic.

Still, unless there's something wrong that needs to be addressed, I just leave them in one spot until the fronts wear out. Then buy 2 or 4 new tires, depending on condition. Tire place will automatically move the older tires to the front because 2 new tires always go on the back.

Rotating is just meant to distribute wear among all four tires. That's all. Nothing magical about it. So if all 4 are fairly close to wearing evenly, there's zero value in rotation. Whether or not the tech even notices does not matter in the least.

"Oh my god honey, I was at work today and I guy came in with non-rotated tires!" No one cares.
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I have had tires replaced and had the bad shake as soon as I left the shop .
turned around and took it back, turns out they installed a wheel wrong
did not center and tighten in steps as they should have
I was just glad they did not hurt the wheel itself, but it all worked out OK
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Well, after about 20 miles of the lights coming on and going off, they are off now. Not sure wth happened but it appears everything is fine now.
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How far are you going?
Towing anything?
its not fine...just back the way it was
As mentioned...bad rim tire or and balancing
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Originally Posted by kcinnick2 View Post
Tire rotation isn't always necessary on vehicles. A properly aligned car with properly inflated tires can have just as long tread life as a car that rotates at arbitrary intervals. As you found out, rotating tires on a vehicle that might be out of alignment or may have tricky front end geometry as such as a large truck with big tires can cause problems worse than premature tire wear. I inspect tires and I don't rotate them. If something is wearing unevenly I find the problem and fix it and I don't blindly rotate tires. Never tell the tire warranty people that you don't rotate tires, but I find tire warranties are usually not worth the paper they are printed on.
Sssssssoooooooooooooo wrong!
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Originally Posted by Lprizman View Post
How far are you going?
Towing anything?
its not fine...just back the way it was
As mentioned...bad rim tire or and balancing
About 800 miles round trip. No towing.
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rotating tires does not get them unbalanced, they are balanced on the rims.
so any place on the truck they put them will still be balanced .
they just screwed you by charging you twice.
someone tightened up the lugs wrong so at least one of the the rims did not sit properly
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Originally Posted by 99yam40 View Post
rotating tires does not get them unbalanced, they are balanced on the rims.
so any place on the truck they put them will still be balanced .
they just screwed you by charging you twice.
someone tightened up the lugs wrong so at least one of the the rims did not sit properly
Sometimes during a rotate you can develop what the op has experienced.
Back wheels are out of balance but not noticeable due to its in the rear & on a solid axle.
When brought to the front, it goes to hell.....
Ive seen it more than a few times....
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Guess who does the tire rotations, the new guy. I got new tires at my Nissan dealer and they came with free rotations. Last week I got my oil changed (two free changes when I bought the used truck there) and a tire rotation. I was going on a 1000 mile round trip and checked my tire pressures before I left. They had aired them up for me but, new guy, remember. Two of the valve caps fell off in my fingers and one was gone. Good help is hard to find.
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If you have lug centric wheels maybe one or more wheels weren’t installed properly
a little difference in ride if one wheel was a bit out of balance in the rear and now it’s in the front I can see but not all hell breaking loose

are they stock wheels or aftermarket ? Do you know if they are hub centric or lug centric?
i once got a set of factory wheels that had the weights clipped on the inner barrel and when I went to drive it made contact with the Caliper bracket- talk about crapping yourself as you pull back in to switch them lol they were fine on the fronts though
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Originally Posted by swflgroupertherapy View Post
This couldn't be any more wrong. Front tires will always wear out sooner than rears will, under normal driving conditions. And any good tech/tire salesman/service advisor/service manager can tell that tires were not rotated as well.
Strong, inaccurate statement. Rears wear from driving the vehicle, usually in the center. Fronts wear from steering the vehicle, usually on the edges. The trick is to average the wear pattern over the life of a tire. FWD is even worse.
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Several vehicles I owned you just could not rotate the tires, different size front to rear. Never noticed uneven wear on any of them. I stopped rotating tires 10 years ago.
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I have an 2016 F-250. I rotate tires every 10-15K. Never had an issue. When I was young I prematurely killed tires by not rotating them on 4WD trucks. Got 70K out of the last set of Coopers, only got new ones because winter is coming and I was getting nervous about them - they had plenty of tread left.
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I ran two sets of Fierce attitude MT 315’s on my 7.3. First set I didn’t rotate and by the end I was getting a vibration/louder than expected road noise and tires looked like crap. Last set my guy rotated after every 10k. Wear patterns looked much better and mileage improved.

he explained it as the front tires get “nubs” while the rear drive wheels wear them off. When you rotate you wear off the Nubs from the front. I have KO2’s on my F250 and wrangler and try to rotate every 7500 miles. No issues.

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