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Old 09-14-2020, 03:20 PM
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Question for people have done it regularly and people like caj and professional haulers that have run in the area:

Would you personally own a boat in the 8'7-9'11 range or the 10'0 to 11'11?

I'm planning for the next boat and I don't really want too much longer - I'm thinking 30' max. But, I'd like to maximize the beam for interior volume and deck space. Either 30' x 10' or 30' x 12' (or a hair under for good measure with the CHP).

I'm just debating whether to try and limit it to <10'0 and have no time of day restrictions, or limit it to <12'0 and have the restrictions against weekday morning and evening rush hour (plus banners, flags, etc). I'm ok launching early <6A or >9A and I can't recall a time in recent memory where I was towing home between 4P-7P.

I've trailered 9'6 and don't really feel like it was that tough (25' x 9'6 and always bought the yearly permit). Current boat is 27'6 loa x 8' and is [obviously] super easy to handle. Most trips are multi day so it's not like I'm grabbing the boat to drop it in the water to fish/cruise for a few hours. I live 5 minutes off of a freeway and most ramps I frequent are equally close to the freeway - no country roads and I don't need to drive through town.

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I trailer a 28'X9'11" for years now prior boat was 25X9'6", never a problem, I launch in Long Beach and fish the Tanner/ Cortez in good to great conditions.
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I wouldn't trailer a boat that big simply because there's too much work involved I'm too old.

But when you find the boat you really want, you should buy it. If over width becomes a problem, go to Plan B and slip it. I managed 25' x 9' 6" for 30 years in San Diego with neither a permit nor a second glance. Traffic law enforcement seems virtually non-existent on our freeways as it is, and the cops are looking to stop drunk drivers 1st and foremost. Over 80 might get their attention. They've got a lot to do, and only have time for the most serious and deadly offenses. I observed this firsthand as a CHP ride-a-long back in the day.

It seems like you know the rules and will abide by them, so you're ahead of the game already. Over wide seems workable for you as you have explained. I wouldn't try and talk you out of it.
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I have a California annual. It comes with maps of highways you can't be on at certain times of day. That being said, the only two place we ever have issues was Long Beach and Desert Center. The trucking police hang out by the ports.

Every decent sized boat is over width now. You'll be fine.
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Originally Posted by Pez Vela View Post
I wouldn't trailer a boat that big simply because there's too much work involved I'm too old.

But when you find the boat you really want, you should buy it. If over width becomes a problem, go to Plan B and slip it. I managed 25' x 9' 6" for 30 years in San Diego with neither a permit nor a second glance. Traffic law enforcement seems virtually non-existent on our freeways as it is, and the cops are looking to stop drunk drivers 1st and foremost. Over 80 might get their attention. They've got a lot to do, and only have time for the most serious and deadly offenses. I observed this firsthand as a CHP ride-a-long back in the day.

It seems like you know the rules and will abide by them, so you're ahead of the game already. Over wide seems workable for you as you have explained. I wouldn't try and talk you out of it.
Well, they must think going over 55 on I5 north of the grapevine is a serious offense because they're all over me if I go 61. Around Redding, they must observe the 55mph speed limit as a capital offense.
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Originally Posted by cajflynn View Post
Well, they must think going over 55 on I5 north of the grapevine is a serious offense because they're all over me if I go 61. Around Redding, they must observe the 55mph speed limit as a capital offense.
Vehicles with trailer are restricted to the right lane, may use the lane directly to the left of the right lane for passing and passing only, speed limit 55 mph.
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Originally Posted by Reel 007 View Post
Vehicles with trailer are restricted to the right lane, may use the lane directly to the left of the right lane for passing and passing only, speed limit 55 mph.
I got pulled over by CHP towing a 15’ Whaler at 65. They’ll love an oversized boat.
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Originally Posted by cajflynn View Post
Well, they must think going over 55 on I5 north of the grapevine is a serious offense because they're all over me if I go 61. Around Redding, they must observe the 55mph speed limit as a capital offense.
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Vehicles with trailer are restricted to the right lane, may use the lane directly to the left of the right lane for passing and passing only, speed limit 55 mph.
When I mentioned going 80, I should have made it clear that I was only referring to non-towing passenger vehicles (65 mph limit) in the SoCal/San Diego area where starbright55 lives. Towing an over wide over the 55 mph limit would be asking for trouble here locally, as it should.
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Originally Posted by cajflynn View Post
I have a California annual. It comes with maps of highways you can't be on at certain times of day. That being said, the only two place we ever have issues was Long Beach and Desert Center. The trucking police hang out by the ports.

Every decent sized boat is over width now. You'll be fine.
Sounds like I'll continue looking for a 30' x 10' or 30 x 12' cat.

Desert Center won't be a problem but every now and then I head north towards Santa Barbara.

Thanks for the vote of confidence everyone!
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Originally Posted by starbright55 View Post
Sounds like I'll continue looking for a 30' x 10' or 30 x 12' cat.

Desert Center won't be a problem but every now and then I head north towards Santa Barbara.

Thanks for the vote of confidence everyone!
Go big or go home!
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I always see a lot of D.O.T. CHP on the 101 around Cuesta grade. Keep any eye out North of the grade around the Santa Margarita Lake off ramp for heavy enforcement.
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Originally Posted by starbright55 View Post
Question for people have done it regularly and people like caj and professional haulers that have run in the area:

Would you personally own a boat in the 8'7-9'11 range or the 10'0 to 11'11?

I'm planning for the next boat and I don't really want too much longer - I'm thinking 30' max. But, I'd like to maximize the beam for interior volume and deck space. Either 30' x 10' or 30' x 12' (or a hair under for good measure with the CHP).

I'm just debating whether to try and limit it to <10'0 and have no time of day restrictions, or limit it to <12'0 and have the restrictions against weekday morning and evening rush hour (plus banners, flags, etc). I'm ok launching early <6A or >9A and I can't recall a time in recent memory where I was towing home between 4P-7P.

I've trailered 9'6 and don't really feel like it was that tough (25' x 9'6 and always bought the yearly permit). Current boat is 27'6 loa x 8' and is [obviously] super easy to handle. Most trips are multi day so it's not like I'm grabbing the boat to drop it in the water to fish/cruise for a few hours. I live 5 minutes off of a freeway and most ramps I frequent are equally close to the freeway - no country roads and I don't need to drive through town.
Your scales are north of town so you don't have to worry about those, but in the event you do get caught that much over Calif is a pain in the ass, they will escort you to safe place then you will have to let it sit till you get the permits to haul the thing
Check and see if Calif allows you to buy a full year over permit. NC does. Its worth a shot. I"m on several camper forums we worry about weight.
Reality?????? Its not so much getting caught , its that one time something your not expecting goes wrong. You jack knife that boat CHP are going to be on you like white on rice, be in a accident even if its not your doing, when the other sides lawyer finishes with out you might be living out that broken boat. Its always that choice. If you can live with it, I'd say go for it just know if you ever do have something happen, even a flat on the side of the road. you know your going to met CHP and those guys have money on the brain. Worst state for us to truck in.
Good luck with your choices. You know where your headed. Your the one that has to live with it.
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In NC, it a $350 ticket for not having a permit. In CA, it can be $7,500. Food for thought.
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Originally Posted by cajflynn View Post
In NC, it a $350 ticket for not having a permit. In CA, it can be $7,500. Food for thought.
VA is one that will open your eyes as to bridge weight. They changed the weight of a bridge in Chesapeak we all use to cross years ago down to 36000 over night. Had a DOT work that bridge for a long time one of LMR boy with a car hauler crossed it, got pulled his fine was 12500 dollars. Matt the owner of LMR went to court with that ticket had it reduced to 3400 but that bridge use to be 80,000 pounds. You and I know were the cash cows of LAW Enforcment. Those that don't expect that it only takes one time to learn. LOL
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I have no plans to do anything illegal - I'll even go get a non-commercial Class A license so that I can bumper tow >10,000 lbs.
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I have no plans to do anything illegal - I'll even go get a non-commercial Class A license so that I can bumper tow >10,000 lbs.
I"m not sure on the wide load laws out there. Thats another thing I have a grip about law enforcement can't play in their own sand box every state has to have it own set of rules . Make life complecated for everyone. Check on that yearly permit before you buy. NC allows you to buy a permit once a year to cover how wide your boat is but there are centain weekends or times you can't be on the road like after dark like the wide load 18 wheelers do. My hell i'll pull a 747 down the hwy long as I don't get in trouble but hitting the over passes. LOL Your 14 foot high legal out there but think its the same 102" wide. I"m 102 with the car hauler. . Tex/LA line it drops to 13.6 so you have 6 more inchs out there than we do on the east coast.

Cajflynn hauls wider than I do and he runs Calif. Hes suppose to get the permits LOL so i'm sure he knows more about this wide load stuff than I do.
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I"m not sure on the wide load laws out there. Thats another thing I have a grip about law enforcement can't play in their own sand box every state has to have it own set of rules . Make life complecated for everyone. Check on that yearly permit before you buy. NC allows you to buy a permit once a year to cover how wide your boat is but there are centain weekends or times you can't be on the road like after dark like the wide load 18 wheelers do. My hell i'll pull a 747 down the hwy long as I don't get in trouble but hitting the over passes. LOL Your 14 foot high legal out there but think its the same 102" wide. I"m 102 with the car hauler. . Tex/LA line it drops to 13.6 so you have 6 more inchs out there than we do on the east coast.

Cajflynn hauls wider than I do and he runs Calif. Hes suppose to get the permits LOL so i'm sure he knows more about this wide load stuff than I do.
Yeah, there are time limitations for 10'-12'. On weekdays, you can't be on the road during rush hour. ~6-9A and 3-7P. So, weekends are no problem and if I leave early for a long weekend (Thurs or Fri), just be at the ramp <6A or leave the house >9A - either is easy to do.
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Yeah, there are time limitations for 10'-12'. On weekdays, you can't be on the road during rush hour. ~6-9A and 3-7P. So, weekends are no problem and if I leave early for a long weekend (Thurs or Fri), just be at the ramp <6A or leave the house >9A - either is easy to do.
They got rules here about the same way just don't enforce them as bad as Calif does. Our LEOs wait till there is a big tournament. Easy pickings that way. You can get a over wide permit here just like you can a weighted tag thing. Just paid mine for the year. Tax and tags over 600 to 700 dollars. Its a rip off but it ain't cheep getting caught without it.
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A little over the limit won't get you a second look. My Shamrock was 8'-10" and I never worried about it. I know guys that regularly tow a foot over the limit, no worries. More than that and I would expect you would risk getting stopped without a wide load banner. At least that's how I see things in San Diego. As someone pointed out, cops have better things to do and many are boat owners themselves and generally go easy on us.
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A little over the limit won't get you a second look. My Shamrock was 8'-10" and I never worried about it. I know guys that regularly tow a foot over the limit, no worries. More than that and I would expect you would risk getting stopped without a wide load banner. At least that's how I see things in San Diego. As someone pointed out, cops have better things to do and many are boat owners themselves and generally go easy on us.
You only need the wide load banners over 10'0.

I read up some more - there's no time restrictions in San Diego north of SR-52 and in LA/OC south of the I-5/I-405 merge. So, if my new boat was 10'0-12'0, I could always launch at Oceanside or Dana Point regardless of the time of day (I live north of SR-52).

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