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Old 07-29-2020, 08:05 PM
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I just sold my 2003 F250 Lariat pickup with the reliable 7.3 Power Stroke diesel, and am having a little trouble deciding on what truck to buy as the replacement.
The truck had 73,000 miles and still ran as good as new, and had all the power I have ever needed to tow my heavy 26' Albemarle.
And of course unlike the current generation, that engine had no EGR, diesel particulate filter, or need for diesel exhaust fluid.
I often thought I would just keep that truck for the rest of my life, but in spite of always keeping up on the maintenance, installing all new brakes and shocks as well as having and a complete front end rebuild, it was just starting to show some signs of age.
Even though we don't get that much snow here in Northern Virginia, we have had a a few pretty good storms over these last 17 years since I bought the truck new, and there was some very light surface rust to be found underneath the bed.
I know that is fairly typical of these trucks and having been such a reliable truck I could have gotten it pulled out and repaired, but in a way I guess I was also just missing having a new truck again.



I knew the truck still had some value to those that know about these trucks and thought I would ask $20K to see if it attracted any attention,.
Being 17 years old I thought it might take a a few weeks to sell, and that would give me plenty of time to find a new truck.
Well it sold in less than a day, and a guy flew down from Chicago and drove it back home, and he could not have been happier.
I guess the market for those old Power Stroke oil burners is still pretty strong....

So now here I am with no truck at all for the first time in my adult life, trying to figure out where to go from here?
I just took my track tires off my Corvette and put street tires on again so I can use it for a driver while I find the next truck, which is not really as easy as I expected.

Over the last 17 years I have changed my engine's oil and fuel filter regularly while I followed Ford's battle to field a reliable diesel successor to the venerable 7.3.
From the troublesome early days of the 6.0 diesel motors to the even worse 6.4, and through the growing pains with the early versions of the 6.7.
Over the years I have also watched Chevy/GMC eat into some of Ford's diesel market share with their Duramax, and have even started considering a possible Chevy Duramax for my next truck.
Any thoughts or advice?

My research suggested there was some trouble with some Duramax engines using the Bosch CP4 high pressure fuel pump as a result of the low sulfur diesel fuel sold in the US.
Maybe the engineers at Ford missed the memo about the problems Chevy was having with the CP4 in the Duramax, because apparently they started using the CP4 in the 6.7 as well.

Apparently this latest 2020 version of Ford 6.7 uses an entirely new fuel injection system, and is claimed to be the most reliable of all,.
So of course I have already test drove a couple of Fords, one with the 6.7 diesel, and another with their new 7.3 "Godzilla" gas engine.
Since both were mated to the Allison10 speed transmission it was pretty hard to tell the difference on a test drive.
Both engines accelerated quickly and moved the heavy Super Duty truck with ease.
For my occasional weekend use I am fairly sure sure the 7.3 gasser or possibly even the Chevy 6.6 would do the job just fine, but I have pretty much decided after having owned nothing but diesel trucks for the last 25 years, the next truck will have another oil burner.

Chevy has just started offering a $3500 incentive on any 2020 LT series trucks, and that means with minimal negotiation a nicely equipped 4x4 2500HD LTZ with the Duramax can be had for right around $60K.
Ford is still offering only a $500 incentive, so their comparably trimmed Lariat F250 is still running around $65-$67K.
With this damn virus actually finding a nicely equipped Ford diesel truck has been a challenge, as none of local Ford dealers within 25 miles of me really have anything on their lots I am really even interested in.
Apparently while uncle Sam has been busy printing money, consumers have been busy buying up almost all the new Super Duty trucks Ford can deliver.

I don't want to waste the Summer trying to find a good deal on a truck, so I would like to try and find something fairly soon.
The Ford $500 rebates expire next week, and I am half wondering if they won't come out with something a little more in line with the Chevy rebates for next month.
I'm told they usually start launching the next year's trucks around mid-August, so I wonder if they will wait a little longer to start trying to move out the 2020s.

I am going to continue to look at trucks over the next few days, I know I sure can't pull my boat with my wife's little SUV.
Any thoughts or suggestions?


Thanks, Dave



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GM switched to a Denso fuel pump in the L5P while Ford uses the Bosch 4.2 and a lift pump. I bought a GM in March, itís a hunk of shit that Iíve had to retain legal counsel to get made whole on. Ford or RAM for a diesel IMO, though Iím sure someone will be along to tell you how wonderful GM is and how Iím just whining about that hunk of junk engine. In fairness I will say the GM has a nice ride and strong transmission.
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If you only had 73K on a 2003 model, you probably ought to be thinking about a gas truck with the axle ratio to tow your boat/race trailer, etc.
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Originally Posted by rpt50 View Post
If you only had 73K on a 2003 model, you probably ought to be thinking about a gas truck with the axle ratio to tow your boat/race trailer, etc.
this!! And go buy a $10k toy. Unless you have money for days and donít care about the initial higher cost of a diesel....then get the diesel.
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No Ford was mated to a 10spd Allison.
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Ram with a Cummins...don't look back.
Coil suspension or airbag vs springs best riding truck there is. Interiors are much nicer in lower trim levels than equivalent trucks. Typically cost less new than equivalent.
I believe car and driver likened the interiors to a Mercedes.
Yes lower resale down the road, but less upfront purchase cost. Cummins are tried and true. Go for drive on the nearest interstate and pay attention to what the 4 and 6 wheel haulers are towing with. RAM, then Ford's. Very few Duramaxs out there .. Someone recently posted his observations on a trip.
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I spent 6 months, or slightly more, searching for a low mileage 7.3 PowerStroke, and found prices all across the board. Sounds like youíre buyer did the same. Drove a rental car 7 hours for something that looked mint in the pics. Same as yours, black, gold lowers, and chrome wheel opening moldings. I wish the sellers wife was not outside with the dog, Iíd have backed out and driven 7 hours home to return the rental. Second one purchased over the internet located 5 hours away. Same exact truck, to the chrome trim, but mint. 134k miles, new front end, radiator, ac condenser, alternator, upgraded Ford drilled and slotted rotors, monster red calipers, on and on. Dealer even put me in touch with previous owner while deal was being completed. Original owner, 30 year diesel mechanic. Saved it for his son who had recently passed away. I paid $11,500 and LOVE the truck!

Bought it to tow a SeaCraft 20 and keep the miles off my 2011 6.2 Raptor, which easily towed but squatted horribly due to wheel travel in the rear. I rarely take it out of the garage! Really was not sure if Iíd drive the diesel a year, but I was so wrong.

Financially, you did very well. I hope you are not disappointed with whichever vehicle you choose. I have a few friends with 2017 and newer Ford diesels, and one with a 2017 Ram. The Ram is really nice, but I just donít know if I could ever buy a Mopar. Just my .02 cents.

Best of Luck,
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Originally Posted by IcutMetl View Post
No Ford was mated to a 10spd Allison.
I stand corrected, clearly misinformation. I had been told the new 2020 Ford 10 speeds were the same transmissions used by Chevy, and were developed by Allison.
I see now the 10 speed transmission being used in both the Chevy and Ford vehicles is not being market as an Allison after all.
Sales people...
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Originally Posted by zotcha View Post
I spent 6 months, or slightly more, searching for a low mileage 7.3 PowerStroke, and found prices all across the board. Sounds like youíre buyer did the same. Drove a rental car 7 hours for something that looked mint in the pics. Same as yours, black, gold lowers, and chrome wheel opening moldings. I wish the sellers wife was not outside with the dog, Iíd have backed out and driven 7 hours home to return the rental. Second one purchased over the internet located 5 hours away. Same exact truck, to the chrome trim, but mint. 134k miles, new front end, radiator, ac condenser, alternator, upgraded Ford drilled and slotted rotors, monster red calipers, on and on. Dealer even put me in touch with previous owner while deal was being completed. Original owner, 30 year diesel mechanic. Saved it for his son who had recently passed away. I paid $11,500 and LOVE the truck!

Bought it to tow a SeaCraft 20 and keep the miles off my 2011 6.2 Raptor, which easily towed but squatted horribly due to wheel travel in the rear. I rarely take it out of the garage! Really was not sure if Iíd drive the diesel a year, but I was so wrong.

Financially, you did very well. I hope you are not disappointed with whichever vehicle you choose. I have a few friends with 2017 and newer Ford diesels, and one with a 2017 Ram. The Ram is really nice, but I just donít know if I could ever buy a Mopar. Just my .02 cents.

Best of Luck,
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$11,500 you stole it!
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For your extremely limited driving I sure wouldn't get a diesel. I've got 270,000 miles on my 2005 Chevy Duramax, I sometimes tow 13,000 pounds, and even I'm considering a gas engine in the next truck.
Chevy hasn't used the Bosch pump since 2016 on the Duramax. I've had many Chevy trucks in my contracting business. They all work hard and have given extremely trouble free and reliable service, that's why I keep buying them. If they needed lots of work I would absolutely switch to something else.
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I'd get the 7.3L ford gas. For as little as you drive you will be better off in long run. New diesels don't like to sit. Also the 7.3L gas with the newer transmission will most likely tow better then your old 7.3 diesel. The torque numbers are very similar and the newer engine has a much better transmission that will manage the torque better.
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Originally Posted by buzz2401 View Post
I'd get the 7.3L ford gas. For as little as you drive you will be better off in long run. New diesels don't like to sit. Also the 7.3L gas with the newer transmission will most likely tow better then your old 7.3 diesel. The torque numbers are very similar and the newer engine has a much better transmission that will manage the torque better.
A tune and simple exhaust and itís much better than the old 7.3. Almost twice the HP and virtually the same torque mated to that 10spd and a 4.30, you got something.
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I've got a 2001 F250 diesel that I might sell one of these days. Probably not for a new F250 but for a Raptor....or the new TRex.... I don't tow. It's been an amazing truck though. Trust it implicitly.
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If you really don't do many towing miles, I'd recommend a max tow capable gasser. My diesel guy, whose daily driver is a 6.0 Ford (as is mine), tells me the newer diesels are extremely expensive to repair if they go bad. OTOH, if money is no object, the sky's the limit, and it appears the big three all have something to offer.
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Originally Posted by phillyg View Post
If you really don't do many towing miles, I'd recommend a max tow capable gasser. My diesel guy, whose daily driver is a 6.0 Ford (as is mine), tells me the newer diesels are extremely expensive to repair if they go bad. OTOH, if money is no object, the sky's the limit, and it appears the big three all have something to offer.
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Thanks guys lots of good input, and it is much appreciated.
I learned from a couple guys the 10 speed transmission used in both Chevy and Ford is not an Allision after all as I had been told.
I think several shared sound advice for the limited driving I do, a gas motor would be the most economical solution.
I am going out to a dealer that has a number of interesting trucks on their lot, and I still have an open mind on possibly going for the big gas motor.
Like so many others I dread sitting down and haggling over a new car/truck purchase about as much as going to the dentist, but the sales guy I have been speaking with seems pretty easy to get along with.
The dealer is publishing prices that are pretty reasonable up front, usually around $6000 or so off MSRP for Lariats, about $5000 off for XLTs, and a little less for the less expensive LT/STX trucks that have caught my eye..

I don't really expect to buy a truck today, but if they hit me with a deal I can't refuse, well, I guess that could be a different story.
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Unless you are regularly towing 20K#+ (especially for distances or commercially) then I agree with the big block gas recommendations. 99% sure that's my next truck as well, "on paper" the new 7.3 gasser looks GREAT! New diesels are simply WAY to expensive and WAY to complicated to justify for most of us! NO WAY I'd own a modern direct injected, turbo diesel out of warranty. (The 10spd trans is a joint venture between Ford & GM, each have their own ECUs/programming.)
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Thanks guys lots of good input, and it is much appreciated.
I learned from a couple guys the 10 speed transmission used in both Chevy and Ford is not an Allision after all as I had been told.
I think several shared sound advice for the limited driving I do, a gas motor would be the most economical solution.
I am going out to a dealer that has a number of interesting trucks on their lot, and I still have an open mind on possibly going for the big gas motor.
Like so many others I dread sitting down and haggling over a new car/truck purchase about as much as going to the dentist, but the sales guy I have been speaking with seems pretty easy to get along with.
The dealer is publishing prices that are pretty reasonable up front, usually around $6000 or so off MSRP for Lariats, about $5000 off for XLTs, and a little less for the less expensive LT/STX trucks that have caught my eye..

I don't really expect to buy a truck today, but if they hit me with a deal I can't refuse, well, I guess that could be a different story.
New rebates for Ford F-Series are due out on 8/4/20. You can also call the Ford Marketing Department and get a $2500.00 private offer coupon to be applied after you make your best deal with the dealership. I was told that the new rebates are going to be around $3,000.00. So, best deal, $3,000.00 public offer rebate and add the $2,500.00 coupon code for the private offer. Don't sign anything until you get that done or you're leaving money on the table.
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I will echo what others have said. With your usage and limited driving, you are the perfect candidate for a gas motor. The new Ford 7.3 gas with the 10 speed will tow as good if not better than your 7.3 diesel without all the complexity of a modern diesel.
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I recommend the 7.3 gas as well. 73000 miles in 17 years doesnít justify the cost of a diesel. Unless you just want the the feel of 1000+ lbs of torque..........

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