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Old 07-13-2020, 05:52 AM
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Currently in a 1500 and have been a Ram guy since they brought the Hemi back in 2002. Moving up to a 3/4 in preparation for a bigger boat. Looks like most 2500 have a max rating close to 18K but the F-250 I’m seeing around 13K. Is the 2500 a “true” rating or kind of like my 1500 rated for 9K but wouldn’t get close to pulling that much, especially long distances.
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Tow rating on those trucks is wholly dependent on how it is built out. single vs crew cab, what options are on it, if it has a max tow package vs regular, gearing, etc.... Dont get stuck on the 3/4 ton thing. Figure out how much you need to tow, and buy accordingly.

Those trucks will perform virtually identically if you compare apples to apples trucks (same options). Ive owned both. Pick the one you like more.

As far as ratings being "true" - I feel like that is slightly loaded. They will tow what they are rated for. The driver needs to understand that a bigger load means a different driving style. If its rated for it, it will tow it. If you're up against the top of any truck's capacity, you're going to feel it more than a jet ski trailer.
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Towing much over 11 or 12K with a gas engine is going to be a chore, not that it wont do ok but it will be a load.. What kind of boat you thinking of getting..

I pull a 23 footer with twins weighs about 7 5K. I pull it with a GMC 2500 with a 6.0L. It does fine and much better than my old 1500 GMC with a 5.3L as it struggled ... I would not want to haul more than 10 or 11K with it thou but I know someone that has pulled 33 footer with the same basic truck and it did it for 150 miles but most of that was 45 mph getting like 4 mpg..
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Originally Posted by Cracker View Post
Towing much over 11 or 12K with a gas engine is going to be a chore, not that it wont do ok but it will be a load.. What kind of boat you thinking of getting..

I pull a 23 footer with twins weighs about 7 5K. I pull it with a GMC 2500 with a 6.0L. It does fine and much better than my old 1500 GMC with a 5.3L as it struggled ... I would not want to haul more than 10 or 11K with it thou but I know someone that has pulled 33 footer with the same basic truck and it did it..
Definitely going diesel for the next truck. Looking at a few different boats Cobia 280, SeaLion 27TE and SeaVee 290B. I currently pull a Cobia 22 and the 1500 handles it like a champ.
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Originally Posted by bigshea View Post
Definitely going diesel for the next truck. Looking at a few different boats Cobia 280, SeaLion 27TE and SeaVee 290B. I currently pull a Cobia 22 and the 1500 handles it like a champ.
You'll be happy with either truck honestly. Back in the fall before I bought my Duramax, I test drove the Ram, Ford, and GMC. The Ram and Ford will easily do the job for you. Really nice trucks. The Cummins and Powerstroke are great engines. If you're happy with Ram then get the Cummins. Really nice interior and the Cummins pulls like a freight train. The new 10 speed in the Powerstroke is enticing too. When I test drove the Ford it had the 6 speed. I'd honestly go with whoever gives you the best deal. Both awesome trucks.

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Originally Posted by bigshea View Post
Definitely going diesel for the next truck. Looking at a few different boats Cobia 280, SeaLion 27TE and SeaVee 290B. I currently pull a Cobia 22 and the 1500 handles it like a champ.
Cool, I had a 22 Cobia also and yes the 1500 did fine with it...moving up to the almost 24 footer with twins was a different story...Good luck with your choice..
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Not sure why the Ford F-250 is rated way lower than the Ram or Chevy but I don't see it having any more trouble towing the same weight. Might be Ford just doesn't want to warranty it or wants you to step into a F-350.

No a diesel truck pulls way different then a gas 1500 so towing at the max rating is not the same and those boats should not be a problem for the ford or others. Those are light enough to get by with a gas truck if your not towing far.

The commercial guys tow a lot more on a regular basis as all they are worried about are axle weights staying under the limit.

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What configuration are you looking at with a 13K tow rating? The F350 I have on order with a 4.30 SRW 7.3L configuration is rated at 15K. Those tow ratings are based on overall abilities for mountainous and hilly conditions. I wouldn't think twice about hooking 20K to the truck I have on order provided the trailer was set up properly with brakes and weight distribution to tow on the flat terrain where I live. Now, hauling up in the mountains like the Rockies or Appalachians would be a different story but that's not something I will be doing.
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Originally Posted by saltydog235 View Post
What configuration are you looking at with a 13K tow rating? The F350 I have on order with a 4.30 SRW 7.3L configuration is rated at 15K. Those tow ratings are based on overall abilities for mountainous and hilly conditions. I wouldn't think twice about hooking 20K to the truck I have on order provided the trailer was set up properly with brakes and weight distribution to tow on the flat terrain where I live. Now, hauling up in the mountains like the Rockies or Appalachians would be a different story but that's not something I will be doing.
A 2020 with the electronic locking 3.31 axle, 6.7L Crew Lariat with 8’ Box, max towing load per the dealer site is 12,300
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Concerned? You can always go with a 1 ton boat single rear wheel truck with an 8' bed--gas or diesel. They're not that much more $ than a 3/4 ton truck, but have much more tow rating.

The 7.3 gas Godzilla engine that Ford came out with earlier this year is good for maybe 14,000 lbs. towing, but would be great for a 10K lb. boat. GM also has a 6.6 liter towing gas engine that's better than the Ram Hemi engines, but not quite up to the 7.3 motor.
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Originally Posted by bigshea View Post
A 2020 with the electronic locking 3.31 axle, 6.7L Crew Lariat with 8’ Box, max towing load per the dealer site is 12,300
That sounds really low for a powerstroke and I'm betting the salesman doesn't know what hes talking about... I just checked the towing guide on the Ram website and My Ram 2500 CTD can tow 19091.42 LBS.
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You need to look at towing tables for those trucks too... I havent looked, but I'm willing to bet the capacities you reference above may be difference specs - ex: 5th wheel/goose weight vs conventional trailer weight (from the "bumper" even though that is not entirely correct).

The 18k you reference above for the ram is max towing.... likely based on a 5th wheel or gooseneck hitch.

The 12k you reference above for the f250 is likely a conventional load... aka what most people refer to as a bumper pull.

For a boat trailer, you need to look at conventional trailer weight, not max.

Edit: I just looked up the tow ratings for a new diesel f250... the bumper pull towing is no less than 15k at the lowest option level crew cab 4x4 with the diesel motor, so I dont know where you got the 13k from.

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Originally Posted by bigshea View Post
A 2020 with the electronic locking 3.31 axle, 6.7L Crew Lariat with 8’ Box, max towing load per the dealer site is 12,300
You need to look at that again. It’s about 15k for the PSD with a 3.31, 18k with a 3.55.

Why would anyone buy/order a truck that has a 475hp 1050lbft engine with a 3.31? That’s a huge loss between the flywheel and pavement. And the fuel economy isn’t going to be significantly different.

I just don’t get it, produce all that power and put those tiny gears in it. Yet you’re paying a $9K premium for that engine for what purpose? Save the money and buy the big block gas.
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Originally Posted by saltydog235 View Post
You need to look at that again. It’s about 15k for the PSD with a 3.31, 18k with a 3.55.

Why would anyone buy/order a truck that has a 475hp 1050lbft engine with a 3.31? That’s a huge loss between the flywheel and pavement. And the fuel economy isn’t going to be significantly different.

I just don’t get it, produce all that power and put those tiny gears in it. Yet you’re paying a $9K premium for that engine for what purpose? Save the money and buy the big block gas.
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Agreed. Very little, if any, fuel savings driving a 3.31 over a 3.55. Get the lower geared (higher numerically, the 3.55) and you'll be much happier. How far is OP towing? The new gas engines might be just fine. If he's towing long distances and regularly then get a diesel. The diesel will pull the socks off the gas big block.
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Originally Posted by kernmw10 View Post
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Agreed. Very little, if any, fuel savings driving a 3.31 over a 3.55. Get the lower geared (higher numerically, the 3.55) and you'll be much happier. How far is OP towing? The new gas engines might be just fine. If he's towing long distances and regularly then get a diesel. The diesel will pull the socks off the gas big block.
local tow in FL and to the keys regularly. Looked more at the 6.4L Hemi with a 3.73 Max rating 14K and about $15K less in same trim level. Thanks for all the feedback.
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2020 F-250 Maximum Conventional Towing 24,200 lbs.
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Originally Posted by pdsw View Post
2020 F-250 Maximum Conventional Towing 24,200 lbs.
Saw that on Ford’s website but all the ones at the local Ford dealer didn’t come close to that #.
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Originally Posted by pdsw View Post
2020 F-250 Maximum Conventional Towing 24,200 lbs.
It's 20,000 with a properly equipped 3.55 rear and 6.7L, 15,000 with a 3.31.
14,500 with a 7.3L and 3.55 and 15,000 with a 4.30

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I went with the Ram 2500 gasser with a 4.10 rear
it had the highest tow capacity . I started off wanting the Ford with the new 7.3 motor but it was no comparison
the ram was rated almost 5 k higher
But the good news I could not be happier with my RAM 2500 Hemi
oh I tow a SEAVEE 34 with trips weighing 16K lbs and it does great
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Originally Posted by harley'sboat View Post
I went with the Ram 2500 gasser with a 4.10 rear
it had the highest tow capacity . I started off wanting the Ford with the new 7.3 motor but it was no comparison
the ram was rated almost 5 k higher
But the good news I could not be happier with my RAM 2500 Hemi
oh I tow a SEAVEE 34 with trips weighing 16K lbs and it does great
Nice. You towing that boat consistently or just haul out, road trips etc..


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