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Old 05-20-2020, 02:53 PM
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I am that guy that has been towing a 9K boat and trailer load with a Tundra and says it tows fine (it does). I guess I just didn’t know any better until I had my ah ha moment.

My friend has a diesel truck that has mechanical issues. Instead of asking one of us on the trip with Ĺ ton pickups, he rented a F250 diesel long bed for our 250 mile tow to the outer banks for our annual trip. His boat (25 Parker SE with cobia tower) is similar in weight to my Southport with twins. I had a chance to drive that truck with the boat in tow and now I get what you guys have been saying about the diesel. You really didn’t feel that boat behind that truck while pulling it out at the ramp or towing it down the highway. What a sweet tow vehicle and now I understand what a real truck is! I am thinking I will rent one of these if I decide to bring my boat to the Outer Banks in the future rather than push the limits with my Tundra. Its only $750 to rent for the week and split 4 ways its negligible. I can’t see that long bed being my daily driver but maybe a regular bed? I need reliability and my commute (18 miles) probably isn’t long enough to keep the diesel emissions problems at bay....so who knows.
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You’ll be fine. Just come over and get a rolling coal sticker.

a short bed crew cab will work fine on towing too. It’s all about wheel base. 750 a week is a serious car payment brother.
get a deleted egr and no dpf garbage and life is good.
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If you look at the torque numbers of any of the popular diesels vs those of the popular gas offerings, those numbers are day n night.
Even the new Ford Godzilla's torque is only rated at half their diesel option.
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I think a lot of the confident feeling you got towing, especially on a tow in that terrain, has little to do with the engine. It's all about wheelbase and suspension. The heavy duty trucks are a much better platform to tow with, regardless of the type of engine.


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I had a 2500HD Gas and towed a 22 Dusky and it did it fine. BUT I pulled a HEAVY @SS Hydrosport 33VX out of the water using a 2500HD Duramax. OH Man - It just came right out with very little to no effort. I was SOLD. Diesel all the way.
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Originally Posted by Cole Medina View Post
If you look at the torque numbers of any of the popular diesels vs those of the popular gas offerings, those numbers are day n night.
Even the new Ford Godzilla's torque is only rated at half their diesel option.
Yeah, itís a wonder we could pull a limp noodle out of a catís ass with the old 7.3l diesels that made 235hp and 500lbft of torque. Now youíve got a gas version that makes 430hp and 475lbft. Tune it and your torque numbers are similar.

Always loved my diesels but you donít need 1000lbft to tow a boat or anything these 3/4 and 1 tons do.
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It's all about how much you will you the "HD" part of the truck. Yes a 3/4 diesel will out pull a gasket tundra every day as it should. But to own a big truck to pull 3 times a yr is retarded if the half tone can do it safely. The other 362 days your driving g it's way more comfortable.

Big diesels that are used are daily drivers are the new replacement for the midlefe crisis corvette.........
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Originally Posted by saltydog235 View Post
Yeah, itís a wonder we could pull a limp noodle out of a catís ass with the old 7.3l diesels that made 235hp and 500lbft of torque. Now youíve got a gas version that makes 430hp and 475lbft. Tune it and your torque numbers are similar.

Always loved my diesels but you donít need 1000lbft to tow a boat or anything these 3/4 and 1 tons do.
What is the torque output after the tune?
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Originally Posted by Cole Medina View Post
What is the torque output after the tune?
Depends on what you choose 5 Star Tunes in Florence, SC has all kinds depending on what you want.
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Originally Posted by saltydog235 View Post
Yeah, itís a wonder we could pull a limp noodle out of a catís ass with the old 7.3l diesels that made 235hp and 500lbft of torque. Now youíve got a gas version that makes 430hp and 475lbft. Tune it and your torque numbers are similar.

Always loved my diesels but you donít need 1000lbft to tow a boat or anything these 3/4 and 1 tons do.
Itís not as much about how much torque as it is about where the torque is made in the rpmís.

I use the 950 lbs of torque all the time. I donít see any gasser doing what I do.
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Originally Posted by cajflynn View Post
Itís not as much about how much torque as it is about where the torque is made in the rpmís.

I use the 950 lbs of torque all the time. I donít see any gasser doing what I do.
No, but you tow heavy all the time. A guy hauling his boat a few times a month or a tool or landscape trailer isnít in the same league and never really utilizes the full capabilities of the engine. Truth be told most of us could easily get away with much less.

But this is America and we have choices so thatís what counts the most.
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Excursion Ltd, 6.0 diesel, 2005, 124k, 4wd, 1 owner

Here you go, I've pulled my 25se with this and as you said, I dont know it's back there half the time.
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I have had my diesel since 1999. Back then the historical price of diesel was lower than gas. The diesel cost more to buy but got better mpg pulling a little 3000 pound boat than a gasser.
To me pulling a boat 20k a year made sense to buy a diesel. I think by the time diesel became higher than gas I had almost made my money back.

Today, If I was looking to buy a new truck, I would look to see if a gasser would do what I wanted it to do. If it did, even though a diesel did the job better, I would opt for the gasser.
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Been there. Unless I no longer need to tow, or significantly down-size, I donít see myself towing with a gas engine again.

So much more relaxing tow at highway speeds. About double the towing mileage I used to get, and that low rpm grunt effortlessly pulls the boat out of any ramp Iíve used.
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I think we've all had the ah hah moment and it only took one pull in a diesel. I have a Duramax but a guy I work with pulled his bass boat all over the lower southeast with a F150. It did the job of course but in the mountains he complained about the downshifting and all....fast forward and he just picked up a F250 diesel and he just had his ah hah moment pulling it through the hills. His comment was like mine, "If I knew it was that big of a difference I would have bought one sooner." You may not need all that power and yes a 1500 can do most of the jobs we need them to do but man the HD diesels are so much more comfortable and stable. I like the control feeling I have over what I am pulling more than anything else.
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Originally Posted by saltydog235 View Post
Yeah, itís a wonder we could pull a limp noodle out of a catís ass with the old 7.3l diesels that made 235hp and 500lbft of torque. Now youíve got a gas version that makes 430hp and 475lbft. Tune it and your torque numbers are similar.

Always loved my diesels but you donít need 1000lbft to tow a boat or anything these 3/4 and 1 tons do.
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What is the torque output after the tune?
Originally Posted by saltydog235 View Post
Depends on what you choose 5 Star Tunes in Florence, SC has all kinds depending on what you want.

i dont care what or who tunes your godzilla gasser, you will not make similair torque with just tuning. you will need to add some sort of forced induction to see big results! by the time you do all that, should have just bought the diesel!
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Originally Posted by old hat View Post
I am that guy that has been towing a 9K boat and trailer load with a Tundra and says it tows fine (it does). I guess I just didn’t know any better until I had my ah ha moment.

My friend has a diesel truck that has mechanical issues. Instead of asking one of us on the trip with Ĺ ton pickups, he rented a F250 diesel long bed for our 250 mile tow to the outer banks for our annual trip. His boat (25 Parker SE with cobia tower) is similar in weight to my Southport with twins. I had a chance to drive that truck with the boat in tow and now I get what you guys have been saying about the diesel. You really didn’t feel that boat behind that truck while pulling it out at the ramp or towing it down the highway. What a sweet tow vehicle and now I understand what a real truck is! I am thinking I will rent one of these if I decide to bring my boat to the Outer Banks in the future rather than push the limits with my Tundra. Its only $750 to rent for the week and split 4 ways its negligible. I can’t see that long bed being my daily driver but maybe a regular bed? I need reliability and my commute (18 miles) probably isn’t long enough to keep the diesel emissions problems at bay....so who knows.
You won't have a problem getting the engine up to temperature with an 18 mile commute. So that's a non issue really. All of the big 3 diesel truck manufacturers offer incredible trucks. All of them have their unique bells and whistles and each have their flaws. You will be happy with any of them. I test drove all 3 and settled on the GMC Denali. Duramax and Allison trans is a wonderful combo. The independent front suspension makes it ride nicer than the solid front axle Ford and Ram. I am quite impressed with the ride quality actually; other friends and family are also impressed with the comfort level. I am sure I would have been happy with any of them; they are all really nice trucks! Buy what you want. This is America. Don't listen to the ass hats that say you don't need this or that, or that you have a small pee pee. You only live once. Buy what puts a smile on your face every time you drive it. There's nothing quite like the pulling power of a diesel truck.
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Originally Posted by kernmw10 View Post
You won't have a problem getting the engine up to temperature with an 18 mile commute. So that's a non issue really. All of the big 3 diesel truck manufacturers offer incredible trucks. All of them have their unique bells and whistles and each have their flaws. You will be happy with any of them. I test drove all 3 and settled on the GMC Denali. Duramax and Allison trans is a wonderful combo. The independent front suspension makes it ride nicer than the solid front axle Ford and Ram. I am quite impressed with the ride quality actually; other friends and family are also impressed with the comfort level. I am sure I would have been happy with any of them; they are all really nice trucks! Buy what you want. This is America. Don't listen to the ass hats that say you don't need this or that, or that you have a small pee pee. You only live once. Buy what puts a smile on your face every time you drive it. There's nothing quite like the pulling power of a diesel truck.
this, i may only hook to the flat bed or stock trailer 1-2 times per year or haul my boat 1-2 times per year, so technically a gasser will do for me. how ever, when i do need to hook to them, i do what i want when i want!

not to mention how many gassers can hit the peddle and bark the tires at 40 mph? of course mine is tuned as well!
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Originally Posted by Rolandt03 View Post
i dont care what or who tunes your godzilla gasser, you will not make similair torque with just tuning. you will need to add some sort of forced induction to see big results! by the time you do all that, should have just bought the diesel!
Itís already making virtually the same torque as the original 7.3L. I pulled some heavy shit with one of those up and down mountains once upon a time. They werenít fast but never really struggled. It was the coming down part that got your attention in those old ones.
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Originally Posted by saltydog235 View Post
Itís already making virtually the same torque as the original 7.3L. I pulled some heavy shit with one of those up and down mountains once upon a time. They werenít fast but never really struggled. It was the coming down part that got your attention in those old ones.
not saying it wont do it, but there is zero reason to tune it, other than to waste money. its also about where the torque is in the rpm range. diesels are all low end torque, gassers have to rev to make power!

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