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Old 05-20-2020, 02:46 PM
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Hey all,
I can get a good deal on a 2004 f350 that my dad owns and has had since new, low miles (like 115000) or I can wait a little and get a deferent truck like a 2007 f250(or similar). I would like a Ford truck that is preferably a 2004 or newer, I have heard bad things about the 2008-2010 models, any input on ether of the trucks above (even other suggestions) would be greatly appreciated.
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Not a Ford. Ever... Not even a free one.

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like I tell my friends. They have the nicest interior. They are miserable to work on. As long as you buy it new and donít mind the garage doing all your work, maybe. But Iíve had nothing but trouble with every ford product.


if I could get the Cummins engine, with an Allison transmission, with fords interior, that would be great. But youíll have to pick your poison...
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both are 6.0's if memory serves me right. so in my opinion neither, you probably will end up walking
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I want a 2500 under 15k that will not stop running. I need it to tow mild loads and be conferable for longish road trips. It would also be nice if it could run the diesel they have in mexico
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Originally Posted by Xcomunic8d View Post
Not a Ford. Ever... Not even a free one.

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like I tell my friends. They have the nicest interior. They are miserable to work on. As long as you buy it new and donít mind the garage doing all your work, maybe. But Iíve had nothing but trouble with every ford product.


if I could get the Cummins engine, with an Allison transmission, with fords interior, that would be great. But youíll have to pick your poison...
I see your point but this truck has had few problems and I could spend more $ on a boat if I get the 2004.

Is it really that bad? The diesel mechanic my dad uses has the exact same truck and loves the thing. I guess it is all personal preference though
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What I seriously know about ford diesels. Engine stalling, power issues I’ve heard about. If you delete it and check your injectors hopefully you’ll be ok.
degas bottles are brittle and break so keep an eye out. They aren’t cheap but not expensive to replace.
my biggest beef with Ford is they intentionally make it hard to work on your property. Some love it but that mentality irritates me.
my buddies are like I love my ford. After working on them, they say “I see your point.”
it is all about preference but seriously go into it with both eyes open. I’d lean towards duramax but I like Cummins and power wagon.
I’ve had bad experiences with Ford. Owning and working on other people’s.

but it’s your dads and you have a mechanic so.., your choice.
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Originally Posted by Xcomunic8d View Post
What I seriously know about ford diesels. Engine stalling, power issues Iíve heard about. If you delete it and check your injectors hopefully youíll be ok.
degas bottles are brittle and break so keep an eye out. They arenít cheap but not expensive to replace.
my biggest beef with Ford is they intentionally make it hard to work on your property. Some love it but that mentality irritates me.
my buddies are like I love my ford. After working on them, they say ďI see your point.Ē
it is all about preference but seriously go into it with both eyes open. Iíd lean towards duramax but I like Cummins and power wagon.
Iíve had bad experiences with Ford. Owning and working on other peopleís.

but itís your dads and you have a mechanic so.., your choice.
you seem really knowledgeable and much less biased then everyone Iíve talked to, if you were me (itís gonna be a first car) what would you get. The majority of driving I do has been in a smaller gas truck(also my dads) itís a 2014 gmc and Iím not incredibly impressed with it.
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The 04 6.0 had a lot of issues, but if deleted and bullet proofed, can be reliable with good maintenance. The 07 had alot of improvements made and is generally more reliable than than the 03/04. However deleting and bullet proofing greatly help them also. Regular maintenance is the big key on any of the newer diesels, no matter the brand.
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Diesels in general need to be deleted (meaning egr valve. You don’t need hot, sooty exhaust going in your intake. Assuming this is legal in your area.

I can’t tell you what to buy. I love diesels. Drove professionally for years and ran the place too. Once you fall in love with them, you’ll never go back.
I like gm but they can’t make a small truck, ever (s10, Colorado).
cost of ownership needs to be considered gas vs diesel. Diesel oil changes, fuel filters, fuel cost, etc. all will cost you more.
im assuming you’re close to your dad. I’ll never buy a ford again. While I’m not a fan, knowing it’s history and his knowledge won’t hurt you.

what are your needs?
then buy to fit those needs.
ultimately love what you buy. If you love it you won’t mind paying for it, working on it. Keeping it for years. (I’m well past my tolerance for issues with your brand, but everyone has that one brand). So buy what you want and who cares about others. You’ll have issues no matter what. Just go in both eyes open and take it as it comes.
you”ll figure it out brother.
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Originally Posted by getusummm View Post
The 04 6.0 had a lot of issues, but if deleted and bullet proofed, can be reliable with good maintenance. The 07 had alot of improvements made and is generally more reliable than than the 03/04. However deleting and bullet proofing greatly help them also. Regular maintenance is the big key on any of the newer diesels, no matter the brand.
I live in Nevada but drive in California almost daily. How do the regulations work with that? How much does it cost to get it bulletproofed and deleted?
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Get some diesel power mags. I’m assuming he means bulletproofdiesel.com.

https://www.bulletproofdiesel.com/Articles.asp?ID=387

make sure you find out if tuning is necessary. many brands hsp, wcfab, sinister diesel, probably 5 more I’m forgetting. Look up year and model and look at egr delete. Thing is if you have emissions testing you might have issues. California inspections no go. Some states like mine, you’re fine.
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Many of the problems experienced with the 6.0 engine were around the 80K mile range. And not every 6.0 diesel engine had engine problems. I would like to think that if any 6.0 is still running today, they're over the hump. You might not have any future problems. See PowerStrokeHelp.com for more info on Ford/Navistar engines.

But anyway it goes, I wouldn't put much money into purchasing a SuperDuty truck 6.0 engine.

I have one of the very last of the 7.3 F250's ,and it's been a great truck in its 17 1/2 years and 154K miles. But I received a $3,000 coupon from Ford in the mail last week and I went with the 2020 F150 STX. While it's not as nice of a interior as my SuperDuty Lariat, the half ton is so smooth, quiet and car like in ride. In my retirement, I'm just not going to haul or tow the stuff I have in the past. And I'm going to keep my F250 a little longer.
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Originally Posted by Bamaman View Post
Many of the problems experienced with the 6.0 engine were around the 80K mile range. And not every 6.0 diesel engine had engine problems. I would like to think that if any 6.0 is still running today, they're over the hump. You might not have any future problems. See PowerStrokeHelp.com for more info on Ford/Navistar engines.

But anyway it goes, I wouldn't put much money into purchasing a SuperDuty truck 6.0 engine.
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So do you think I should keep it as is? It seems to run pretty well and if i can remember correctly already had the head gasket replaced. It would be really nice to not need to do the bulletproof but if it will make it more reliable that would be really nice. I take a decent few trips to MX for fishing and getting stuck on the side of the road in Mexico doesn't sound to great...
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[QUOTE=Bamaman;13672882....................... I would like to think that if any 6.0 is still running today, they're over the hump. ............................[/QUOTE]

I still have a 6.0L I bought new in 07. (F350 4D, 4x4). Rolled past the 50,000 mile mark just a few weeks ago. (obviously I don't drive it often!). I did bulletproof it about 3 years ago but not because I was having any problems. I wanted to add a tuner and wouldn't do so without first preparing the engine for it.
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Originally Posted by Xcomunic8d View Post
Not a Ford. Ever... Not even a free one.

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like I tell my friends. They have the nicest interior. They are miserable to work on. As long as you buy it new and donít mind the garage doing all your work, maybe. But Iíve had nothing but trouble with every ford product.


if I could get the Cummins engine, with an Allison transmission, with fords interior, that would be great. But youíll have to pick your poison...
This combination was readily available in a Ford F-650 or F-750. They were available with Cummins 6.7L engines and Allison automatics. I find it quite funny that when Ford stepped up the powertrain for their big heavy duty type trucks they used the engine from a 2500 Ram and the transmission from a 2500 Chevy. It really says something about what Ford thinks of their own engines and transmissions.
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Originally Posted by KD4UPL View Post
This combination was readily available in a Ford F-650 or F-750. They were available with Cummins 6.7L engines and Allison automatics. I find it quite funny that when Ford stepped up the powertrain for their big heavy duty type trucks they used the engine from a 2500 Ram and the transmission from a 2500 Chevy. It really says something about what Ford thinks of their own engines and transmissions.
awesome info! I didn’t know that but yes it speaks truth.

btw Ford diesel is an international (Navistar) product. I had them in my fleet trucks. It was our goal to get cats instead of those things but our fleet office closed that loophole and our fleet repairs went up dramatically. Everything else was really pretty good tho.
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To the OP, the responses here are no different than any other boat topic. First hand knowledge is hard to find, but hearsay is abundant.

Yes, the F650/750 did have a Cummins option, and Caterpillar, and Powerstroke. Ford owned 10% of Cummins back in the 90ís. So you can have whatever option you want, they getting paid either way. Some locations in commercial industry have access to Cummins or Caterpillar or Powerstroke for repairs. Meet the needs of your distant customers. Guess who doesnít own Cummins? Definitely not Dodge/Chrysler/Fiat/Mercedes/Ram (pick which company per model year). Parting ways with Navistar was the best decision ever.

I own a 2004 F350, CC, LB, Dually, 6.0 Powerstroke. Onto your 2004 vs 2007. The 6.0 engine has an early model and a late model. Both have quirks. I have the early 6.0 with the larger most desired turbo. I now have 160k miles and literally 2020 has been the only time i have put money into the engine. I run Rotella T6, Rotella ELC coolant (red, same as Caterpillar), Motorcraft filters (always) and a Sinister Diesel coolant filter kit. Last year my FICM took a crap when my alternator diodes fried. Original FICM, original alternator.

The 6.0 gets a lot of crap, and primarily due to Navistar. Primary starting with production of engine blocks with casting sand inside the engine from their factory to Ford. Complete engines with sand inside the coolant passages. Lower radiators would catch most and clog, the rest went straight to the oil cooler. Its the first stop after the radiator. You have options to completely alleviate any potential problems and literally bulletproof this engine. The bottom end is stout and seriously solid. Whatever you do, stay away from the 6.4. Itís not just Ford, Dodge had the same issues at the 2008 deadline for emissions. They had plenty of problems with the Cummins. Emissions and Diesels arenít nice.

Your dilemma is you reside in California. So you cannot delete the egr cooler. Donít worry, i still have mine. Check out BulletProofDiesel.com. You can buy their upgraded egr cooler and problem solved. Oil cooler has two options, replace with Ford unit or eliminate it with the BPD kit for $1800. Never think twice and tow in desert heat up hills all day. Replace the head gaskets with OEM set and install ARP studs. Mine are factory gaskets and torque to yield (TTY) head bolts. I donít put a stupid tuner on to crank out black smoke and burn it up. So heads hold fine. Dont buy a stupid intake kit with a POS K&N conical filter. Stock filter is flow rated to 600 hp and is beyond solid. The conicals have been proven to be a bad choice.

Long story short. It doesnít matter what engine you have, treat it like crap and it breaks. Diesels rely on clean oil and clean fuel. You neglect oil changes, you will regret life. Best i can tell you about walking into owning a diesel. Other than the Sinister diesel coolant filter and BPD FICM, my truck is stock oem. Tomorrow i will be replacing the #4 and 8 injectors, ICP sensor/harness, checking my IPR valve screen (with a kit to replace it), and my egr valve clean/replace gaskets. This is the most money Iíve spent on engine parts. Maintenance items donít count, like tires.

Do other people have different issues? Some. But others replying on what theyíve read or heard is a huge majority of these owners put tuners on the truck and bumped up the horse power by dumping more fuel and boost pressure. Or just to ďroll coalĒ when pressing the throttle.

i will bulletproof mine when that time comes.

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I also know I am probably going to get some type of response in regard to how caterpillar engines or Cummins engines are running for hundreds of thousands of miles. Blah blah blah. Yes, again, these same engines have a set horsepower and chug along. Whether in a boat or piece of machinery. With routine maintenance. Not dumbass Chad with his cool Dodge Ram 2500 with the tow mirrors sticking out and no hitch who has the cool 6 inch exhaust running wide open throttle and his Edge programmer set to Ludicrous Speed.

If you own a diesel out of warranty, then you probably visit solid diesel shops who will tell you the same thing. All about maintenance. However, I couldnít daily drive a diesel. Oil changes are expensive every 5k miles.

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