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Old 10-12-2019, 09:16 AM
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Ran into a guy at the car wash that had a 2500 HD that was leveled out and looked nice and clean. Nothing crazy, just leveled. I talked to him about what kit he went with and tires etc. I decided to go ahead and do the same lift/level he had used. It’s a 3.5/1 with control arms, shocks and keys.

It looks good but the height that it sits at is awfully high for only a 3.5” lift, border line too high. It’s a lot higher than the guys truck that I was talking too. Mine is a 2018 and his was a 2016, would the model year make this much of a difference ?
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Old 10-12-2019, 09:26 AM
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Springs sag over time
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Old 10-12-2019, 10:59 AM
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A 3.5” lift is pretty high from stock. Doesn’t look that bad on other people’s trucks but climbing in and out younreally noticecit.

Earlier this year I put a AEV 2.5” dualsport lift on my JKU along with 34” tires. It made a huge difference in looks/climbing in and out. Very happy with it but I didn’t think it would end up as high as it is.
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What the last 2 member say is spot on. The springs will sag, but not as much as for you to tell a difference. It’s also not noticeable till you go to get in as to seeing it one another truck and not getting in. I have had plenty of lifted trucks, all the way to 6” lifts and they look nice from the outside but to get in it’s definitely a bigger difference, at least on the 6” lift.
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Old 10-12-2019, 02:27 PM
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You didn't say if it was a GM but where you mentioned keys I am assuming so, you should be able to lower the front a little with the torsion bar adjustment bolt, may ride a little smoother as well.
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Old 10-12-2019, 03:34 PM
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If GM, the 2016 and 2018 trucks are the same, so model year wouldn’t likely make any difference.
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Old 10-13-2019, 07:25 AM
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Put on your big boy pants and enjoy it. I drove a 2010 sierra for 7 years with 11" of lift and 38" tall tires. The wife is only 5' 3" and even she never complained.
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Old 10-14-2019, 08:54 AM
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Originally Posted by critt77matt View Post
Springs sag over time
torsion bars = independent front suspension, being IFS doesnt have springs, this would be incorrect!
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Old 10-14-2019, 08:55 AM
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did you put the same brand lift/level kit on as the car wash man? did you do same size tires as the car wash man?
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Originally Posted by Rolandt03 View Post
torsion bars = independent front suspension, being IFS doesnt have springs, this would be incorrect!
Not to get too technical but a torsion bar is a spring. Not a coil spring, but still a spring.
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Either way you don't have spring sag to worry about. Unless he hauls 10,000 lbs every single day since it was new. Even then it would only wear out the rear springs.

As someone who installs this stuff daily. If you have the exact set up, one thing that I've noticed is each vehicle is different. Some will sit a little higher or lower based on torsion bar setting.
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Originally Posted by Windwood View Post
Not to get too technical but a torsion bar is a spring. Not a coil spring, but still a spring.
and still not the springs that is being referred too! nice try though!
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if the problem is getting in and out buy the XL amps research step bars
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I put the 3" leveling keys on my 2017 GMC 2500 HD gasser. The first time I got out of truck after putting them on, I fell into my grass along side the driveway. After looking around to make sure none of my neighbors saw me, I realized, looking up from the grass, that the step bars now where about an inch higher in the front than the rear because they were mounted unparallel to the frame. I lowered the keys about a full turn and they were good. The front wheel wells measured an inch lower than the front and the step bars were parallel. Then off for an alignment.

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Brought it back to the shop and they lowered the torsion bars to standard, whatever that is. It lowered the front of the truck about an 1 1/2” which made a huge difference and the tires still cleared. It rides not much different than it did stock now.

They said they have not installed this particular lift on a GM 2500 HD and were unsure if the tires would clear without the bars turned up.(They tried like crazy to upsell me on the 5”) So they turned them up, which technically gave the front almost a 5” lift from my understanding. It rode like a tank, that may be giving it too much credit. It rides pretty good now and its more what I expected on the height.
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Originally Posted by MercuryMan200 View Post
Put on your big boy pants and enjoy it. I drove a 2010 sierra for 7 years with 11" of lift and 38" tall tires. The wife is only 5' 3" and even she never complained.
Never said my wife complained about the height. I use my truck for truck stuff as well and needing a ladder to get into the bed is not an option. My CJ7 Jeep/Chevy conversion with 42” Super Swampers was the toy and she never complained about getting in or out of that beast either.
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This is why keys on a 2500/3500 ride terrible (ie leveling kits). I've done it..it sucks. If you want it to be a taller, a true spindle/lift kit with upper control arms is your only answer to keep the best ride.

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Originally Posted by Unevensteven View Post
I put the 3" leveling keys on my 2017 GMC 2500 HD gasser. The first time I got out of truck after putting them on, I fell into my grass along side the driveway. After looking around to make sure none of my neighbors saw me, I realized, looking up from the grass, that the step bars now where about an inch higher in the front than the rear because they were mounted unparallel to the frame. I lowered the keys about a full turn and they were good. The front wheel wells measured an inch lower than the front and the step bars were parallel. Then off for an alignment.
step bars are mounted to the frame so the lift would not effect the step bars in any way shape or form, they do what the frame does, but the measurements to cab/wheel well stays the same. unless your doing a body lift.
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After all that what is the angle of the front diff CV half shafts? If they are at extreme angles get ready to replace them earlier than normal. That's the downside of lifting vehicles with IFS. Standard CV axles can take up to about 2" lifts without problems but higher than that some really don't last.
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Originally Posted by Joe View Post
This is why keys on a 2500/3500 ride terrible (ie leveling kits). I've done it..it sucks. If you want it to be a taller, a true spindle/lift kit with upper control arms is your only answer to keep the best ride.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLgTG4JwdXM
We always cut that bump stop when we do Chevy leveling kits. People don't care to spend anymore money than they have to. Not many are willing to spend the extra money to ride better. Then they spend $1000 per wheel for Specialty Forged or American Force wheels.
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