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Old 05-21-2019, 08:49 AM
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Do you have a Dakota or a Ram? My relative has a Ram that I might buy when they go to trade it in. I'm just worried about the lash adjuster/top end issues I keep reading about.
Ram. 2008 Hemi Ram. Actually going in for a new motor most likely today. Old lifetime warranty truck. Motor is still completely reliable, just using a ton of oil. 214K on the clock.

Been doing some reading, and evidently the MDS can be deleted by the dealer. If that's the case, going to have it done. If not, probably add a range technologies or Diablo MDS module.
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Old 05-21-2019, 08:55 AM
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Ram. 2008 Hemi Ram. Actually going in for a new motor most likely today. Old lifetime warranty truck. Motor is still completely reliable, just using a ton of oil. 214K on the clock.

Been doing some reading, and evidently the MDS can be deleted by the dealer. If that's the case, going to have it done. If not, probably add a range technologies or Diablo MDS module.
The one I'm looking at buying from my relative is a 2012. It would probably have 100k on it by the time he trades it in. It's in good shape, but has a random rust bubble on the front fender the size of a half dollar or so.

I'd probably tune out the MDS if I bought it. The thing is the Dakota is so simple and reliable, and it's a blast to drive with the 4.7 and manual trans, I'd hate to get rid of it. It has 66k on it and I only drive it 5000 miles a year or so.
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I've never owned a Toyota truck but have owned a few Ford trucks and a few Toyota cars I can tell you as a matter of fact that the ford trucks were in the shop probably 4 times as frequently as the Toyota cars and the repairs were on average much more expensive....not apples to apples I know. I drive a Ford 350 Diesel now, If I didn't think I needed that much truck I'd have bought a Toyota and my next truck will probably be one. Toyota earned ther reputation for reliability back when the American auto makers felt like "built in obsolecence" was a good idea.
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Old 05-21-2019, 11:01 AM
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Agreed; I was going to ask about "best" as well. I bought a 2018 Tundra Platinum 4x4 new last year and kept it about two months. Between the Christmas tree lit up on my dash for no reason (the tacked on safety senors are working!!) the popping of the ABS actuator every time I took off, and the general automotive "ennui" of the truck, I was glad to see it go.

My wife's 2008 4runner v8 has been a great car, but not without its faults. It hasn't turned 100K miles yet, and I've put new calipers all the way around (2 were frozen open), and my suspicion is it has a crack/exhaust leak at one of both of its headers, but the Toyota dealer said it was "normal". Because the headers and catalytic converts ar one piece, OEM parts are about $2000 for both sides.The engine also has a pretty good piston slap when its <50 degrees. It doesn't seem to affect anything other than annoying me however. And the white paint is probably the worst factory paint job I've ever seen. If I don't wax it every 2-3 months, it turns chalky and dull. That seems to be pretty common on Toyotas from about 2005-2012 or so.

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When I say boring, I'm not talking at all about bells and whistles. I'm talking about handling, acceleration, and general driving experience. In that regard, the Thundra is the worst on the market currently. If I was buying for fleet use and didn't care about my fleet drivers opinion of the driving experience, it would be high on the list. For my personal daily driver, hell no.

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Old 05-21-2019, 11:07 AM
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I read this concept in here a lot (I can't work on it!).

It seems to be the most convenient part of a truck that I could have is not necessarily a large open engine bay. I don't know about you, but I'd rather not have to work on it.

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Id be looking at a f150 with the 5.0 or a Tundra if reliability was the biggest concern. I picked up a pristine '13 loaded lariat supercrew 4x4 with 56k for low 20's last summer which was a great deal and knock on wood the 5.0 should last a long time. The engine bay is wide open and one of the easiest to access I have seen. Ive been very happy with the powerplant
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Tundras have their problems too.
The rear brake pads are the size of band aids. They are useless. That over-stresses the front brakes and the rotors warp. Constantly. So much for towing the space shuttle.
Some of the front-end parts are absolutely shot < 150k miles. You can get 200k out of most vehicles these days before they need front-end work that bad.
The rear axle bearings have a bad habit of failing.
The dash layout is right out of a nightmare.
The 5.7 blocks crack - a documented problem that I have seen first-hand. Not a common problem but it is real. They leak oil when they crack.
The thing drives like a slug. My 17 y/o 3/4 ton drives better.
Terrible mpg and no way anyone is getting 19 mpg with a Toyota 5.7. That's a 13-14 mpg vehicle anyone you ask. My SIL has a 5.7 in Sequoia and it is a nice motor / trans combo but stingy on fuel, it ain't.
Damned ugly. Not a real problem in my world as I am a function over form guy, but the dang things are ugly as hell.

They are a pretty problem free, dependable vehicle but that's about all I willing to give them. If I was in the half ton market, I wouldn't even bother to look at them in their current form.
while not great Iíve always got spot on the EPA ratings on my 2013 Tundra. 13 city and usually 17-18 highway. Saw 20mpg on a drive through NC years ago on the way to pick up my current boat.

You can try and say front ends are failing and this and that but if youíre counting a couple odd ball situations thatís not really a fair assessment. Main issues are, as you mention rear bearings, door lock actuators that are prone to fail as well as a some people
experiencing cam tower leaks. What you wonít find is many of any people talking about their new trucks leaving them stranded. Im currently starting research for my next truck. Looking at the forums i was surprised as how many people report having literally brand new trucks from the Big 3 leaving them stranded and needing a tow. That doesnít necessarily inspire confidence that a vehicle is going to run for 250k miles. The Sierra 1500 AT4 is my current fav. Hoping the 10 speed is better than the 8spd since that seems to be a nightmare by all accounts.

As far not updating the Tundra often, why would they? You invest money into what sells. They have no incentive to keep the Tundra fresh. The Big 3 sell tons of trucks. Itís their bread and butter. They need to keep them updated. Toyota sells tons of Camrys and Rav4ís hence why most of their resources go there. Youíd have to be a fool to invest in slow selling products. I think people tend to forget how brand loyal the truck segment is. More than any other. And those that arenít brand loyal are usually domestic/import loyal. The part
of the segment that truly cross shops both domestic
and import trucks is a small part of the overall segment. Toyota could make the best half ton by far in every measurable metric and they still would never come close to passing any of the Big 3 in sales.
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Maybe Chevrolet is the way to go, https://cars.usnews.com/cars-trucks/...-on-the-market strange the GMC came in 10th and the Chevrolet 2nd. There comments on the Tundra pretty much echo what has been said here, reliable but out of date.
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What I'm saying is Toyota isn't immune to those. Plenty of well documented issues with the 5.7. As there is with every other drivetrain out there. But to listen to the Toyota faithful, their engineers walk on water, and design their vehicles with special engineering formulas on loan from the creator himself, and put on paper using a magic golden pen.
No one is immune to issues, but reading the forums as Iíve been doing in my research one thing you wonít see with the Tundra brag you do with the others with people with brand new trucks being stranded on the side of the road. Thatís completely unacceptable on a brand new vehicle. You go on the Tundra forums and the top posts are about mods and other stuff people have done with their trucks. You go on one for the Big 3 and the top posts are usually all about major issues theyíre having. Certainly most people arenít on forums but itís still telling.
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Old 05-21-2019, 12:26 PM
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No one is immune to issues, but reading the forums as Iíve been doing in my research one thing you wonít see with the Tundra brag you do with the others with people with brand new trucks being stranded on the side of the road. Thatís completely unacceptable on a brand new vehicle. You go on the Tundra forums and the top posts are about mods and other stuff people have done with their trucks. You go on one for the Big 3 and the top posts are usually all about major issues theyíre having. Certainly most people arenít on forums but itís still telling.
Edmunds consumer reviews is much of the same.
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Old 05-21-2019, 12:33 PM
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No one is immune to issues, but reading the forums as I’ve been doing in my research one thing you won’t see with the Tundra brag you do with the others with people with brand new trucks being stranded on the side of the road. That’s completely unacceptable on a brand new vehicle. You go on the Tundra forums and the top posts are about mods and other stuff people have done with their trucks. You go on one for the Big 3 and the top posts are usually all about major issues they’re having. Certainly most people aren’t on forums but it’s still telling.

This probably is not pertinent to a conversation about half tons but in 401,000 miles, my truck has been towed twice and neither time was "on the side of the road". Once when a rebuilt PS pump locked up after 2 days on the truck (at 350k miles+). And once when I screwed up a repair on the weekend and didn't have time to fix it during the week.

Now, since I'm driving an older truck and it's not a 1/2 ton, or even gas, I don't have a clue about those trucks leaving people on the side of the road but I certainly haven't experienced it, nor do I have any friends that have. Doesn't mean it doesn't happen, just that it might not be as common as you think. As with all things, people having the problems are the ones who scream, and scream the loudest.

Also: Going by the 2018 sales chart posted above, Ford GM and Dodge sold almost 2.3 million full-size pickups last year. Compared to 118,258 for Toyota. That's almost 20 times more than Toyota. I wonder who is going to have the greater number of break-downs????

And not saying that the domestics are as dependable as Toyotas. Just stating that there really is no apple to apple comparison to be made here based on internet reports.
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This probably is not pertinent to a conversation about half tons but in 401,000 miles, my truck has been towed twice and neither time was "on the side of the road". Once when a rebuilt PS pump locked up after 2 days on the truck (at 350k miles+). And once when I screwed up a repair on the weekend and didn't have time to fix it during the week.

Now, since I'm driving an older truck and it's not a 1/2 ton, or even gas, I don't have a clue about those trucks leaving people on the side of the road but I certainly haven't experienced it, nor do I have any friends that have. Doesn't mean it doesn't happen, just that it might not be as common as you think. As with all things, people having the problems are the ones who scream, and scream the loudest.

Also: Going by the 2018 sales chart posted above, Ford GM and Dodge sold almost 2.3 million full-size pickups last year. Compared to 118,258 for Toyota. That's almost 20 times more than Toyota. I wonder who is going to have the greater number of break-downs????

And there it is........... ding,ding,ding........... We have a winner
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2010 Toyota Tundra with 235k miles. Replace alternator and brakes. She is just getting her sea legs
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Originally Posted by Back-in-Black View Post
This probably is not pertinent to a conversation about half tons but in 401,000 miles, my truck has been towed twice and neither time was "on the side of the road". Once when a rebuilt PS pump locked up after 2 days on the truck (at 350k miles+). And once when I screwed up a repair on the weekend and didn't have time to fix it during the week.

Now, since I'm driving an older truck and it's not a 1/2 ton, or even gas, I don't have a clue about those trucks leaving people on the side of the road but I certainly haven't experienced it, nor do I have any friends that have. Doesn't mean it doesn't happen, just that it might not be as common as you think. As with all things, people having the problems are the ones who scream, and scream the loudest.

Also: Going by the 2018 sales chart posted above, Ford GM and Dodge sold almost 2.3 million full-size pickups last year. Compared to 118,258 for Toyota. That's almost 20 times more than Toyota. I wonder who is going to have the greater number of break-downs????

And not saying that the domestics are as dependable as Toyotas. Just stating that there really is no apple to apple comparison to be made here based on internet reports.
401k?! What truck do you have?
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2010 Toyota Tundra with 235k miles. Replace alternator and brakes. She is just getting her sea legs

I had a '92 Chevy that was totaled at 250k miles. I put those miles on there in 5 years and was constantly towing a ~6,000 lb Mako on 350 mile round trips to the coast plus a lot of other towing. Total repairs to the point where it was rear-ended so hard it knocked the drive shaft and rear window out:

Starter replaced
Muffler & tail pipe replaced - rust from backing into salt water with boat.
A/C compressor at ~195k miles.
Idler arm - twice I think.
And I blew the transmission up towing on the way back from the coast one day - although those transmissions were admittedly less than great. Covered under warranty.
And a few brake jobs but never had to replace the front rotors either.
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From what I have read and found interesting is the Fords and probably Chevys and Dodges sales figure includes the whole Fseries line up. Meaning f150,250&350. I still havenít found the actual 1/2 ton sales for the big 3. Every time I google F150 2018 sales. The same thing comes out, F Series lineup. We all know the F series lineup is all their 150,25&350. Makes you wonder how many of each they really do sell.
Ford F-series US car sales figures
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Also would love to see fleet sales figures taken out of there. I've yet to see a UHaul Tundra.
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Maybe I'll just get an underpowered V6 Tacoma so I can keep my stick shift, drive it for a few years and 100,000 miles, and then list it for sale for 2k under the cost of a new one. LOL
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In reality I donít care if itís in there or not. But I want to see what just the 1/2 ton sales are for the big 3
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401k?! What truck do you have?
2002 duramax. bought it 3/23/2002.
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2002 duramax. bought it 3/23/2002.
Nice.

If I went diesel, I'd probably get the Ram Cummins with the 6 speed manual.
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