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Old 05-15-2019, 06:42 PM
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I am looking for my first 2500 diesel truck and have 20k to spend, I have no bias toward any brand. I would love to hear opinions on which trucks y'all would go with. I am more familiar with dodge trucks and do like them, the fords worry me with their reputation of being unreliable in the price range I am looking, and Chevy trucks I am neither thrilled with or scared of I really don't know what to think about them. The fords are cheaper and would allow me to get a newer lower mile truck and I can just take my saved money and put it right back into the truck to fix the issues.

Long term I am looking for a truck that will last awhile and be reliable given it is taken care of properly. It seems around 200k miles I should just intend to fix something on each whether its injectors, transmission, or whatever. Performance is not a priority to me and don't plan on lifting or putting larger tires on the truck.

I am willing to look at trucks with higher milage along as they are cheaper so I can have some money to address any issues or potential issues have already been addressed.

What I am looking for:under 150k miles
4 door
4 wheel drive
from what I have seen trucks in years 03-08
If you were in my position what direction would you go?

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A ' 03-'08 Diesel under 150k miles for $20k? if you can find one not sure you will have too many options. I'd go either Dodge or GM/GMC. I had an '02 GMC with the LB7 Duramax. no complaints other than the transfer case developed the "pump rub" issue. I now have a 2011 Ram 2500 CTD. Does not ride as smooth as the GM but pulls better. The older 12 valve Cummins engines are hard to beat. The only Ford I would touch is the 7.3 diesel.
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Old 05-15-2019, 07:20 PM
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I am not in a rush and can wait a few months for the right one to pop up, I have seen a bunch of fords (for obv reasons), and a few dodges and a few chevy's. They are around and have seen a few that I would have already bought but was not ready to buy when they came for sale.

Thanks for the info I am leaning toward a dodge or GM
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Stay away from the '01- early '04 Duramax for now. The cure to the injector problem may be here now but it's too early to tell. '04.5-early '07 are the most sought after since they do not have any emissions garbage on them - but also command a hefty price. Saw one for sale down in classifieds - think it was an '06 w/ ~150k and he was asking $29k for it!

Not sure what year it is but there's one for sale near my home. Saw it today. It's been parked in this guy's front yard for a while. Looks to be '04-'07 but I'm no expert just driving by. If you'd like, I can stop and get a phone number off it. It's in Baton Rouge.

I'd stay away from Dodge's in the price range you're looking at. They're gonna be older trucks where the quality really sucked and the transmissions were junk. Everyone says the newer ones are much better but I don't know what year that started. I can tell you this, when I bought my Duramax back in 2002, the Dodge / Cummins were EVERYWHERE. Used to HATE listening to those damn things left running at the diesel pump 'cause some redneck thought all that racket was cool. Anyway, I still see early Duramaxs ALL over the place, damn near every day. It's probably been 6 months since I saw an early model Dodge / Cummins still on the road. Don't think that has anything to do with the motor, just the rest of the truck falling apart around a still running motor. And I NEVER have to listen to that crap at the diesel pump any more - haven't experienced it in years. Like I said, I'm not sure when their quality went up. If you know when or can find out and find one in your price range, then that's the ticket.
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Find a 7.3L F250-350 and buy it. Engines are relatively simple, reliable and designed for 500k miles. It’s debatable with the 5.9l CTD but that is one of the best light duty engines ever put in a pickup truck.
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Originally Posted by saltydog235 View Post
Find a 7.3L F250-350 and buy it. Engines are relatively simple, reliable and designed for 500k miles. It’s debatable with the 5.9l CTD but that is one of the best light duty engines ever put in a pickup truck.
this. The 7.3 is bullet proof. Had none of the power and mileage robbing emissions controls.
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Old 05-16-2019, 08:23 AM
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Get a older GMT400 Chevy/GMC diesel with the 6.5 that is blown up, then Cummins swap it!
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Old 05-16-2019, 08:27 AM
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A truck that is 15 years old that there may be a fix for..but it's too early to tell? If it hasn;t been figured out in 15 years...it prob won't be.

Originally Posted by Back-in-Black View Post
Stay away from the '01- early '04 Duramax for now. The cure to the injector problem may be here now but it's too early to tell. '04.5-early '07 are the most sought after since they do not have any emissions garbage on them - but also command a hefty price. Saw one for sale down in classifieds - think it was an '06 w/ ~150k and he was asking $29k for it!

Not sure what year it is but there's one for sale near my home. Saw it today. It's been parked in this guy's front yard for a while. Looks to be '04-'07 but I'm no expert just driving by. If you'd like, I can stop and get a phone number off it. It's in Baton Rouge.

I'd stay away from Dodge's in the price range you're looking at. They're gonna be older trucks where the quality really sucked and the transmissions were junk. Everyone says the newer ones are much better but I don't know what year that started. I can tell you this, when I bought my Duramax back in 2002, the Dodge / Cummins were EVERYWHERE. Used to HATE listening to those damn things left running at the diesel pump 'cause some redneck thought all that racket was cool. Anyway, I still see early Duramaxs ALL over the place, damn near every day. It's probably been 6 months since I saw an early model Dodge / Cummins still on the road. Don't think that has anything to do with the motor, just the rest of the truck falling apart around a still running motor. And I NEVER have to listen to that crap at the diesel pump any more - haven't experienced it in years. Like I said, I'm not sure when their quality went up. If you know when or can find out and find one in your price range, then that's the ticket.
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Ford 05-07 6.0 powerstroke you can buy a nice one for around that price that's already been gone through and head studded.Im still driving my 06 6.0 f-350 it's been head studded all the stuff has been done best part its paid for.

I would shy away from the 7.3 unless you want to spend another several thousand fixing oil leaks and whatever else is wore out people will pay stupid money for them once you drive a 05-07 6.0 there is no going back to a 7.3 I use to have a 7.3 no comparison between the two.

I work on diesels for a living a oil pan reseal on a 7.3 isn't cheap couple grand the proper way is to pull motor out.

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A truck that is 15 years old that there may be a fix for..but it's too early to tell? If it hasn;t been figured out in 15 years...it prob won't be.

There are SAC type injectors out for these trucks now. The original Bosch systems used VOC type. The SAC design was Bosch's fix for the problems with the VOC type that were in the early duramax and they are what has been used in ALL Bosch common rail diesel injection systems since late 2004. The SAC type is a redesigned nozzle that mitigates the damage done to ball and seat over countless injection cycles at ~25,000 psi. It seems to work because they've been using it for more than a decade with no problems like what was seen with the original VOC type injectors.

These SAC type injectors for LB7 motors have been out a bit more than a year now I think and I've seen reports from guys who have installed them and put more than 150k miles on them with no reported problems.... so far. And that's why I said it's too early to tell. When I see multiple reports of 200k-300k on these injectors with no problems, I'd be willing to say, problem solved. But as of now, I've seen enough to convince me that if I ever do another set of injectors in my truck, I will spend the extra ~$400 or so to do the SAC type. Mine go out every 80k miles using the old VOC type that have been all that was available until recently, I'd LOVE to see 150k+ out of a set.
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just sold a very clean gmc duramax that meets your conditions for $15k could have gotten more but this guy had cash in hand! so she gone, never even made it to advertising it for sale!

if you do find one that meets your requirements, you better act fast, cause it wont be on the market for long!
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Love my 24v Cummins, 6mt.. < $20k.
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Old 05-16-2019, 10:15 AM
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Not sure why people say the trannys in the dodge suck. I'd say the 5.9 is so good it will give any stock transmission from any other make the business. The only thing I dislike about my Dodge is the stock suspension....its garbage, it rides like a truck. My next upgrade will be a top of the line suspension overhaul.
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Because on the older Dodge trucks, they did suck. Ask anyone who had one. They were good for maybe 100k miles. That's not acceptable for a diesel truck and why so many early Dodge / Cummins were sold with manual transmissions. By comparison, my 2002 Allison has 400k trouble-free miles on it... so far.
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Simple answer to your question....

Find a 2006-2007 Silverado 2500 with the LBZ Duramax. For the year and price range you'd be looking at, I think the Duramax was the best option. For 20k you can find one with under 150k easy. The LBZ is the most sought after Duramax for sure.. it's the last Duramax built without a DPF and the first Duramax to have the 6 speed Allison. A member of the family owns a fleet of Duramax trucks for his business, one is a 2007 LBZ with 980,000 miles on it (used as a hot shot truck.) Bone stock, only things replaced on the motor were your typical water pump, alternator, starter, etc... Injectors were done at 500k. But, the Allison transmission has never been touched aside from fluid changes. I have an '06 LBZ with 221,000 miles right now. It's been a great truck so far (bought it with 178k.) I love the Allison transmission... Very smooth and you can tell by driving it that the transmission is beefy working machine. My ONLY regret, and I regret this very much, is not getting a 4x4. It's not that I need it every day, but there's been a few times it would have been nice... There's nothing more embarrassing than a Suburban pulling a 3/4 ton diesel out of a grass rut.

Stay away from '01-'04 Duramax's..... I wouldn't even bother with a Ford 6.0.

The Ram Cummins is another good option if you're okay with rebuilding the transmission at about 200k. The Cummins is bombproof, but the auto trans aren't worth a shit. Kinda funny, a friend of mine is actually in the process of rebuilding his 68RFE in his 2008 Cummins as we speak. 185,000 miles.

If you can find a solid LBZ with under 150k at your price range that's stock and has been taken care of, you'll be happy and trouble free.
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Simple answer to your question....

Find a 2006-2007 Silverado 2500 with the LBZ Duramax. For the year and price range you'd be looking at, I think the Duramax was the best option. For 20k you can find one with under 150k easy. The LBZ is the most sought after Duramax for sure.. it's the last Duramax built without a DPF and the first Duramax to have the 6 speed Allison. A member of the family owns a fleet of Duramax trucks for his business, one is a 2007 LBZ with 980,000 miles on it (used as a hot shot truck.) Bone stock, only things replaced on the motor were your typical water pump, alternator, starter, etc... Injectors were done at 500k. But, the Allison transmission has never been touched aside from fluid changes. I have an '06 LBZ with 221,000 miles right now. It's been a great truck so far (bought it with 178k.) I love the Allison transmission... Very smooth and you can tell by driving it that the transmission is beefy working machine. My ONLY regret, and I regret this very much, is not getting a 4x4. It's not that I need it every day, but there's been a few times it would have been nice... There's nothing more embarrassing than a Suburban pulling a 3/4 ton diesel out of a grass rut.

Stay away from '01-'04 Duramax's..... I wouldn't even bother with a Ford 6.0.

The Ram Cummins is another good option if you're okay with rebuilding the transmission at about 200k. The Cummins is bombproof, but the auto trans aren't worth a shit. Kinda funny, a friend of mine is actually in the process of rebuilding his 68RFE in his 2008 Cummins as we speak. 185,000 miles.

If you can find a solid LBZ with under 150k at your price range that's stock and has been taken care of, you'll be happy and trouble free.
you will also be the only person to find a unicorn! gonna be a long hard search to find an 06-07 low miles and under $20k
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Not sure why people say the trannys in the dodge suck. I'd say the 5.9 is so good it will give any stock transmission from any other make the business. The only thing I dislike about my Dodge is the stock suspension....its garbage, it rides like a truck. My next upgrade will be a top of the line suspension overhaul.
because they did suck! big time!

the cummins engine is great, now if dodge could make the rest of the truck hold up it would be great!
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you will also be the only person to find a unicorn! gonna be a long hard search to find an 06-07 low miles and under $20k
This. Clean LBZ in my area are $30K. Some low mileage units are listed at $37K! Crazy money for a 12 year old truck.
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because they did suck! big time!

the cummins engine is great, now if dodge could make the rest of the truck hold up it would be great!
This is true. I have owned them all through the years. I had a 2000 ram that was a pile of shit. At 150,000 miles the front end was wore out and it needed a transmission rebuild. The motor was a beast though.

I would shy away from the 6.0. Have you ever seen a ford with the cab in the air? That repair bill will make your ass pucker. I sold my 2005 duramax last year and replaced it with a 2018 ram CTD. The duramax was a good truck, but it had to have the injectors and CP3 pump replaced at 200k miles. The parts were around 7k. If you get a duramax, spend the $600 of a FASS lift pump. It will save the injectors and gives you two additional filters.

This goes for any diesel truck. Buy you fuel from reputable stations, preferably near the highway if possible. Shitty fuel=huge repair bills.
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I am sure there are Duramax in the classifieds that are in your range.

Ford 6.0 or 6.4..... no.....bless its heart...
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