Go Back  The Hull Truth - Boating and Fishing Forum > BOATING FORUMS > Trucks & Trailers
Reload this Page >

3.5 eco boost max tow vs super duty

Notices
Like Tree11Likes

3.5 eco boost max tow vs super duty

Old 05-02-2019, 01:31 PM
  #21  
Admirals Club Admiral's Club Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2017
Posts: 255
Default



Have a 2018 King Ranch 3.5 eco, max tow. Purchase yourself a set of Timbrenís for the rear end, way better then airbags and a 20 minute install. Not sure if you get any sway with your boat, but these will keep you level, and reduce//eliminate any sway. Been using these on all my trucks including the 2500ís and work as advertised. Hope this helps,

Jeff
wdkerek and Buckyss20 like this.

Last edited by Jbshoo; 05-02-2019 at 01:35 PM. Reason: Spelling
Jbshoo is offline  
Old 05-02-2019, 03:05 PM
  #22  
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2014
Posts: 73
Default

I tow interstate daily with a 2016 f150 eco boost. I added a rear sway bar and it helped with stability on the highway.
Ericp is offline  
Old 05-02-2019, 03:53 PM
  #23  
Senior MemberCaptains Club Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location:
Posts: 116
Default

Originally Posted by cp5899 View Post
8 months ago I traded I n a 17í mega cab diesel because I down sized my boat and didnít need the 3/4 ton anymore (after 15 years of diesel pickups). I went with a 2018 2.7 eco boost f150 and really enjoy the performance and fuel mileage (27 on the highway). I recently sold my 20í boat and bought a 28í bluewave and have been pulling the boat with my f150. In the 4 weeks Iíve had the boat, Iíve traveled 1500 miles pulling the boat. The truck has plenty of power and does not hunt for gears with the two being so low, but the suspension is not there. It does not bottom out, but it is soft on the interstate. I weighed the boat, motor and trailer with full fuel yesterday and itís coming in at 8800 lbs. that said Iím looking st going to another truck, but really wanted to hold out until the 2020 super duties come out for the 10 speed trans (love the one in my f150).

The boat is with in spec for a max tow 3.5 eco boost, but trying to decide if I just go back to a 3/4 ton. I travel all interstate to and from work and have already put 22k miles on my f150 in the last 6 months (truck was in the body shop for 2 months a week after I got it). I obviously drive a lot and have really enjoyed the fuel economy of the 2.7 eco boost. I donít think I will go back with a diesel unless the 7.3 gas/10 speed combo is just terrible on fuel.

I have time before we see the 7.3 specs, but at this point that is what I am leaning towards if I go with a gas engine.

Is it worth going to a 3/4 for 9000 lbs? I imagine the 3.5 I had more than enough power because my 2.7 is unreal for such a small engine.
I bought a 3.5 Eco Boost with max tow earlier this. I tow my 31' Island Runner on a 3 axle trailer with disc brakes on all axles and electric over hydraulic brakes. Total weight for boat and trailer (with 220 gallons of fuel) is 9,100 lbs. Braking is VERY good - I get about 8 - 9 MPG with this load running highway.
mikkelv is offline  
Old 05-03-2019, 04:55 AM
  #24  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2014
Posts: 149
Default

I happen to own both, a 2018 F150 CC with the max tow pkg, 3.5 EB and a 2019 F350 DRW, 6.2L, 4.30 gears. The F150 tows very well, no disappointments. It averages 20 mpg unloaded and towing 8-10k it gets about 7-8 mpg. The F350 is much more stable when towing, which is to be expected. It averages 11 mpg and gets 7-8 towing 8-10k. I drive the F150 more because it has better mpg, but towing the 8-10k is not that terrible. I needed the F350 for the payload capacity, something the F150 can't match. If I weren't carrying a lot of weight, I would just have the F150.
Wicked4659 is offline  
Old 05-03-2019, 07:41 AM
  #25  
Senior MemberCaptains Club Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: St. Augustine, Fl
Posts: 21,828
Default

No dog in the fight but remember a 3/4 ton truck comes equipped to do what you want..no added suspension stuff, no sway bars, bigger brakes, bigger frame, should be more.stabil etc... I am not saying the F150 is deficient BUT the F250 is ready out of the box but if you drive it alot, mileage is a concern... Good Luck
Chimpo likes this.
Cracker is offline  
Old 05-03-2019, 08:21 AM
  #26  
Admirals Club Admiral's Club Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2017
Posts: 816
Default

I have the 3.5 with max tow. Air bags are cheap and take an hour or 2 to install. I'd try that first and see how you like it. I just don't think you will see enough difference to justify the hassle of switching to another F150.
joshd472 is offline  
Old 05-03-2019, 08:46 AM
  #27  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: North Texas
Posts: 559
Default

That is crazy that a hull rated at 3,650lb ends up at almost 9K lbs on the trailer. That 3,650lbs must be totally bare bones...

I personally would go 3/4-ton and be done with it, but I drive one every day anyway. Very nice boat btw
Jonboater is offline  
Old 05-03-2019, 11:06 AM
  #28  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2013
Posts: 185
Default

Originally Posted by cp5899 View Post
8 months ago I traded I n a 17í mega cab diesel because I down sized my boat and didnít need the 3/4 ton anymore (after 15 years of diesel pickups). I went with a 2018 2.7 eco boost f150 and really enjoy the performance and fuel mileage (27 on the highway). I recently sold my 20í boat and bought a 28í bluewave and have been pulling the boat with my f150. In the 4 weeks Iíve had the boat, Iíve traveled 1500 miles pulling the boat. The truck has plenty of power and does not hunt for gears with the two being so low, but the suspension is not there. It does not bottom out, but it is soft on the interstate. I weighed the boat, motor and trailer with full fuel yesterday and itís coming in at 8800 lbs. that said Iím looking st going to another truck, but really wanted to hold out until the 2020 super duties come out for the 10 speed trans (love the one in my f150).

The boat is with in spec for a max tow 3.5 eco boost, but trying to decide if I just go back to a 3/4 ton. I travel all interstate to and from work and have already put 22k miles on my f150 in the last 6 months (truck was in the body shop for 2 months a week after I got it). I obviously drive a lot and have really enjoyed the fuel economy of the 2.7 eco boost. I donít think I will go back with a diesel unless the 7.3 gas/10 speed combo is just terrible on fuel.

I have time before we see the 7.3 specs, but at this point that is what I am leaning towards if I go with a gas engine.

Is it worth going to a 3/4 for 9000 lbs? I imagine the 3.5 I had more than enough power because my 2.7 is unreal for such a small engine.

Technically an F-150 is only rated to tow a 5000 pound boat. Most boat trailers don't support use of a WDH and most of the time you dont want to use one with a boat. The f-150 only rates the hitch to 5000 pounds with weight carrying capability.

rucus0101 is offline  
Old 05-03-2019, 11:08 AM
  #29  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2013
Posts: 185
Default

Originally Posted by csy man View Post
I got a 2018 3.5 with the Max Tow package: The springs are beefed up, so is the frame and I think the brakes as well, not sure.
Driving close to the speed limit I get 22 mpg on the free way, in town 13 and averaging 17-18. (3:31 ratio)
Love the truck, thinking about getting extended warranty and keeping it for 12-15 years or so.
HDPP package gives you biggers springs frames etc... Max tow is just a bundle package that gives you the coolers, 3.55 Elock, 36 gallon tank, max duty hitch, and bigger sway bar. It does not give you more payload or a hitch that can carry more than 500 pounds without a WDH.
rucus0101 is offline  
Old 05-03-2019, 12:47 PM
  #30  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: North Texas
Posts: 559
Default

Originally Posted by rucus0101 View Post
HDPP package gives you biggers springs frames etc... Max tow is just a bundle package that gives you the coolers, 3.55 Elock, 36 gallon tank, max duty hitch, and bigger sway bar. It does not give you more payload or a hitch that can carry more than 500 pounds without a WDH.
For less than $300 you can replace the factory hitch with a 1,000/10,000 model from Curt.

https://www.curtmfg.com/part/14017
Jonboater is offline  
Old 05-03-2019, 01:17 PM
  #31  
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2018
Posts: 17
Default

Originally Posted by csy man View Post
I got a 2018 3.5 with the Max Tow package: The springs are beefed up, so is the frame and I think the brakes as well, not sure.
Driving close to the speed limit I get 22 mpg on the free way, in town 13 and averaging 17-18. (3:31 ratio)
Love the truck, thinking about getting extended warranty and keeping it for 12-15 years or so.
If you've got the Max Tow Pkg., you've got the 3.55 locking diff. rather than the 3.31. Comes standard with the Max Tow in the F-150.
awb2541 is offline  
Old 05-03-2019, 01:29 PM
  #32  
THT Sponsor
THT sponsor
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location:
Posts: 312
Default

Originally Posted by rucus0101 View Post
Technically an F-150 is only rated to tow a 5000 pound boat. Most boat trailers don't support use of a WDH and most of the time you dont want to use one with a boat. The f-150 only rates the hitch to 5000 pounds with weight carrying capability.
Incorrect...Those stats are solely off the bumper
Wahooking is offline  
Old 05-03-2019, 01:34 PM
  #33  
Senior MemberCaptains Club Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location:
Posts: 11,183
Default

Originally Posted by cp5899 View Post



I donít think the 7.3 will either, but I donít want 14-17 mpg either which I feel it may be. Our 6.2 fleet trucks get terrible mileage unloaded. I donít mind going back to diesel just donít like how complicated they have become. My 17í Cummins was nice and got 20-22 mpg unloaded, but the lag off idle was terrible. I felt like I was always playing frogger with that thing.


I think that's VERY optimistic for a 7.3L gas motor is a HD truck. VERY.
Back-in-Black is offline  
Old 05-03-2019, 02:30 PM
  #34  
Admirals Club Admiral's Club Member
 
csy man's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2015
Location: Fort Lauderdale
Posts: 1,111
Default

Originally Posted by awb2541 View Post
If you've got the Max Tow Pkg., you've got the 3.55 locking diff. rather than the 3.31. Comes standard with the Max Tow in the F-150.
You are correct, had to go back and look up the specs,

. One of the biggest differences with the 3.5-liter EcoBoost engine for 2018 is the max trailer towing package. For 2018, Ford's half-ton has the highest maximum towing capacity in its class, now at 13,200 pounds, up 1,000 pounds from last year. To get that, you need a SuperCab (extended cab), on a 141.1-inch wheelbase, with two-wheel drive, and the max trailer towing package. The package comes with a 3.55:1 electronic locking rear axle, 36-gallon fuel tank, auxiliary transmission oil cooler, Class IV hitch receiver, 4-pin/7-pin wiring harness, and upgraded front stabilizer bar and rear bumper. Also included are the Pro Trailer Backup Assist, integrated trailer brake controller and a smart trailer tow connector.
For some reason I thought the springs are stiffer, the truck sits pretty high above the 20” wheels, almost like it is lifted. (It is not)
will find a picture..




Chimpo likes this.

Last edited by csy man; 05-03-2019 at 02:54 PM.
csy man is offline  
Old 05-03-2019, 03:25 PM
  #35  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2014
Location: Hilton Head, SC
Posts: 268
Default

Originally Posted by Wahooking View Post
Incorrect...Those stats are solely off the bumper
Incorrect, check the sticker on the hitch.

F150ís have a 5000lbs max without a WDH.

Newer F250ís have a 15,000lbs max without a WDH.

Based on that alone, towing a 9000lb boat without a WDH is F250 territory, even though many of us donít want to deal with a 3/4 ton as a DD.



Wicked Game is offline  
Old 05-03-2019, 03:42 PM
  #36  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2013
Posts: 185
Default



See hitch
rucus0101 is offline  
Old 05-03-2019, 03:58 PM
  #37  
Admirals Club Admiral's Club Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Posts: 1,709
Default

Originally Posted by Jonboater View Post
That is crazy that a hull rated at 3,650lb ends up at almost 9K lbs on the trailer. That 3,650lbs must be totally bare bones...

I personally would go 3/4-ton and be done with it, but I drive one every day anyway. Very nice boat btw

I was pretty surprised as well, but after breaking it down it seems it can be.

Boat 3650 lbs
suzkui 350 737 lbs
95 gallons of fuel 600 lbs
hard top ??
trailer 1700 lbs
5 batteries
power poles
trolling motor
etc



thank you. I really like it so far.
cp5899 is offline  
Old 05-03-2019, 04:28 PM
  #38  
Senior MemberCaptains Club MemberPLEDGER
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: SC
Posts: 10,425
Default

Originally Posted by rucus0101 View Post


See hitch
Thatís the hitch rating. Not the truck rating.
autobaun70 is offline  
Old 05-03-2019, 06:10 PM
  #39  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2013
Posts: 185
Default

Originally Posted by autobaun70 View Post


Thatís the hitch rating. Not the truck rating.
So you are saying if someone removes the factory installed max tow hitch and installs an aftermarket he can tow 10k without a wdh ? What about the foot note on the tow capacities page that says maximum weight requires a wdh?
rucus0101 is offline  
Old 05-03-2019, 06:14 PM
  #40  
Senior MemberCaptains Club MemberPLEDGER
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: SC
Posts: 10,425
Default

Originally Posted by rucus0101 View Post


So you are saying if someone removes the factory installed max tow hitch and installs an aftermarket he can tow 10k without a wdh ? What about the foot note on the tow capacities page that says maximum weight requires a wdh?
legally, you can do anything you want, as long as you donít exceed axle/tire ratings.

Then tow capacities page is a piece of marketing material. Not a VIN specific capacity plate. Only the the weight patrol cares about is axle weights.
autobaun70 is offline  

Thread Tools
Search this Thread