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Old 04-02-2021, 09:21 PM
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How much are they going to pay Mark Few???
Old 04-03-2021, 02:41 AM
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Rick Pitino is going to be the UNC coach for the next 200 years. Because he is a vampire.
Old 04-03-2021, 12:25 PM
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Originally Posted by HatchieLuvr View Post
How much are they going to pay Mark Few???
i would love to see that! But not likely Few would leave the Pacific NW
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Originally Posted by Mako 234 View Post
Other posters were singling out Roy. The school was guilty. No doubt about that. I don't think the NCAA had many options. They couldn't just punish the bball and fball teams when athletes from all sports benefited. After years of investigating they weren't going to give every sport the death penalty. Would they have at UNCW? I have no idea.

I don't even like Roy. Thought he was a terrible in game coach. He was a decent recruiter but when it came to making adjustments during the game and motivating players he was the worst. It took Matt Doherty's players to finally win him a NC after always losing the big one at Kansas.
Roy WAS part of the academic fraud problem.
NCAA did have a choice. They folded.
INCW WOULD be on double secret probation.
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Some classes are easier than others and athletes register first. They earned their right to be there. I'd wager that happens at a lot of schools. Especially, schools that are hard to get into academically and also win a title every now and then. Don't hate the player hate the game--so to speak.
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Originally Posted by mattncsc View Post
Some classes are easier than others and athletes register first. They earned their right to be there. I'd wager that happens at a lot of schools. Especially, schools that are hard to get into academically and also win a title every now and then. Don't hate the player hate the game--so to speak.
They earned the right to have no show classes? And "classes" they were not proctored for one person?
Yeah, it has happened at other schools.
Guess what? They had consequences.
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Dexter Manley could not read when he was in the NFL. That means he graduated 12 years of undergrad school and 4 years at Oklahoma State without the ability to read. Please don't act like UNC was worse than anyone else.

That Does not make it right. For anyone that actually followed this closely you know that UNC internally continued to expose details to right the wrong. UNC fired Butch Davis and all of his staff one year after a major expansion to the stadium, funded by donors, based on Davis' potential. UNC fired the Athletic Director, fired 9 professors and the chairman of AFAM dept, and forced the Chancellor, Holden Thorpe, to resign. None of these things were mandated by the NCAA. If you honestly believe that there are not no-show classes and hyper-agressive tutoring happening in most major schools you have you head in the sand.

Yes, AFAM was bad, UNC did more than any school I am aware of to right the wrong. After 3 years of wallowing in the mire the NCAA determined it was an academic issue, which it was, and did nothing.

Dean Smith took as a matter of pride graduating Players. Many of whom came back and completed degrees in the off Season. Neither Dean nor Roy involved themselves in the academic curriculum. Nor should they have.
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Hubert Davis

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I like this decision. Hopefully I'll still like it in 3-4 years.
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Originally Posted by Knoxes View Post
I like this decision. Hopefully I'll still like it in 3-4 years.
Ditto
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Hubert Davis is a great pick - curious to see who the assistants are...
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Jay Bilas on Davis

“I had the honor to work alongside Hubert for many years at ESPN, and I simply don’t know a better person. Don’t let the smile and laugh fool you, Hubert is a cutthroat competitor with an uncommon understanding of the game. And, he bleeds Carolina Blue. Hubert is the real deal,” Bilas wrote.
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Originally Posted by jhendric View Post
Dexter Manley could not read when he was in the NFL. That means he graduated 12 years of undergrad school and 4 years at Oklahoma State without the ability to read. Please don't act like UNC was worse than anyone else.

That Does not make it right. For anyone that actually followed this closely you know that UNC internally continued to expose details to right the wrong. UNC fired Butch Davis and all of his staff one year after a major expansion to the stadium, funded by donors, based on Davis' potential. UNC fired the Athletic Director, fired 9 professors and the chairman of AFAM dept, and forced the Chancellor, Holden Thorpe, to resign. None of these things were mandated by the NCAA. If you honestly believe that there are not no-show classes and hyper-agressive tutoring happening in most major schools you have you head in the sand.

Yes, AFAM was bad, UNC did more than any school I am aware of to right the wrong. After 3 years of wallowing in the mire the NCAA determined it was an academic issue, which it was, and did nothing.

Dean Smith took as a matter of pride graduating Players. Many of whom came back and completed degrees in the off Season. Neither Dean nor Roy involved themselves in the academic curriculum. Nor should they have.
puhlease.
More tarheel bs.
Academic fraud committed by and for the athletic dept and zero probation is what occurred.
stop with the "it happens everywhere" excuse. Because where it has happened the athletic dept suffered consequences AND it doesn't happen everywhere.
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Oly, you got a dog in this fight or some facts?
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Originally Posted by mattncsc View Post
Oly, you got a dog in this fight or some facts?
For a detailed history of the academic issues with UNC, Please get a copy of Cheated by Jay Smith and Mary Willingham

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Originally Posted by papermaker View Post
For a detailed history of the academic issues with UNC, Please get a copy of Cheated by Jay Smith and Mary Willingham

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Again I say, yawn, the only part of this that was the "biggest" was the NCAA investigation. For 3 years they turned over every single stone desperately seeking to make an example of UNC. In the end they determined that it was an academic issue. The firing of the Football staff, and the AD was proactive, We didn't have to do that per the NCAA. As for the academic part UNC exceeded all of the requirements prescribed as part of our one year accreditation probation and we fired every single person associated with AFAM. On top of that the Chancellor of the university resigned. We did the crime and we did the time. As for Roy, it's pretty simple, if the teachers say the player is academically eligible he teaches them basketball.

I respect Willingham for being a whistleblower, that was needed. I do not respect the book, that was self serving.
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Originally Posted by jhendric View Post
Again I say, yawn, the only part of this that was the "biggest" was the NCAA investigation. For 3 years they turned over every single stone desperately seeking to make an example of UNC. In the end they determined that it was an academic issue. The firing of the Football staff, and the AD was proactive, We didn't have to do that per the NCAA. As for the academic part UNC exceeded all of the requirements prescribed as part of our one year accreditation probation and we fired every single person associated with AFAM. On top of that the Chancellor of the university resigned. We did the crime and we did the time. As for Roy, it's pretty simple, if the teachers say the player is academically eligible he teaches them basketball.

I respect Willingham for being a whistleblower, that was needed. I do not respect the book, that was self serving.
so still on this it happens everywhere bs?
it doesn't.

Isn't it sweet that unc can set their own probation rules and then exceed them. Exceeded them, I say!!!...that should prove how above board and better than thou, shouldn't it? Puuuuuuhlease.

where other schools get the "lack of institutional control" hammer, unc gets to exceed some self imposed bs rules. The NCAA is a joke and unc is their clown. Sure. Roy had noooooo idea that there were classes of one and no show A's. Watch out High Point and Elon, the ncaa is going to show their teeth.
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Davis will prob turn into another Danny Manning project. Brooks and Kessler have left but no huge loss with either one.
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Originally Posted by Logan311 View Post
Uh huh, Both Jim Martin and Kenneth Wainstein were hired by UNC to look inward...again...yawn...UNC screwed up, self exposed it, and did the time.
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