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Old 04-01-2019, 11:28 AM
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First off, unless you're ABSOLUTELY sure you're rigging your hoo correctly...don't run them. No hoo is better than a crappy running who. Having said that:

Sterling Tackle 9" Green Machine splash bars off the long riggers (wide trackers are even better).
Ballyhoo with Joe Shutes (RIGGED PROPERLY) of the mid-riggers (or rod tips if you don't have double rigged riggers)
Run one natural cedar plug daisy chain off one stern flat line, run a crystal Joe Shute with a ballyhoo off the other.
Down the center run either a black/purple 9" Sterling Tackle splash bar or a green bird in front of a black purple jet.

Lose the planers.

Troll 6-6.5 kts

Drop the spread back if you don't get bit.

If you don't get bit with that spread your boat has some bad juju on it.
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Old 04-01-2019, 12:08 PM
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Iíve made my own spreaders and Iím sure thatís a problem too, but Iím not paying $100 on a spreaders bar so
i can possibly loose it. Thatís insane just like those squid nations for $300. You have to be a Doctor lawyer to fish like that. I am peasant thatís why I fish in a shit 21í boat and a pos two stroke. I win the lotto Iíll consider your spread.

But in all seriousness thanks for trying to help
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Old 04-01-2019, 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted by cummins28 View Post
I’ve made my own spreaders and I’m sure that’s a problem too, but I’m not paying $100 on a spreaders bar so
i can possibly loose it. That’s insane just like those squid nations for $300. You have to be a Doctor lawyer to fish like that. I am peasant that’s why I fish in a shit 21’ boat and a pos two stroke. I win the lotto I’ll consider your spread.

But in all seriousness thanks for trying to help
Yeah brother. If you don't know how to do it, don't.

You're more than likely hurting your chances. First off, couple tips. I've been fishing spreader bars for 20 years now. With a 21' CC you don't have the outrigger height needed to correctly run a non-bird bar off your long riggers. Non-bird bars are made to be run close at a steep angle where the bar itself stays out of the water.

If anything just buy two of these:

https://www.sterlingtackle.com/36bars

$99 a piece. Just get yourself started with something you know works. I've known Steve since he started. You won't find a better bar for the price on the market. I was using his stuff since he started in what had to be 2007-2008. The key with bird bars, like I said, is they can be run from CC's with low outrigger angles and they even work from the rod-tips. With those, the bird/bar MUST be in the water to work. It's a win-win.

Bars are SO important my friend. The way they are placed and running properly are critical to bringing fish into your spread. We typically run at least 3, all in the long positions. That way it provides a "call" for the tuna to come in. When they are brought in by the long spreaders, they see the smaller single lures and chains. Look at it this way: Why would a school of tuna want to chow on your spread when you got a 60' Viking 200 yds away pulling 18 lines with 10 of them being perfectly running spreader bars?

I agree with you, there is NO reason to buy a $300 bar. I don't know of anyone who can easily or cheaply make their own bird bar in their home.

Having said that, if you're running a homemade regular bar, there's no way you can get it far enough away from the boat and have it run right on a 21' CC.
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Old 04-01-2019, 01:39 PM
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Man he said they bite his rigs and his rigged ballyhoo on other people's boats so I doubt that is the problem. I highly doubt he can't rig a bally after 11 years of doing it. Also as FishOI said, bars just aren't that popular out of Oregon Inlet, and it would shock you to know how far back they get pulled sometimes when they do get pulled.

I'm 99% sure it is the boat
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Old 04-01-2019, 02:26 PM
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Originally Posted by N2theblue View Post
Man he said they bite his rigs and his rigged ballyhoo on other people's boats so I doubt that is the problem. I highly doubt he can't rig a bally after 11 years of doing it. Also as FishOI said, bars just aren't that popular out of Oregon Inlet, and it would shock you to know how far back they get pulled sometimes when they do get pulled.

I'm 99% sure it is the boat
Its all good man, I knew exactly all the questions and answers I was gonna get for the most part. Iíve talked to these captains up here before from OI and they have always told me sea witches and leave the other shit at the dock. After getting desperate I just keep bringing more and more. Lol

My big question from the beginning was can the boat be a problem never thought I would believe in that crazy sounding stuff before but Iím believing it now.

Im getting a new prop and some bottom paint next.
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OP, this is interesting stuff.

Please do some updates now and again to let us know if anything changes for the better.

Best of luck getting things squared away.

Cheers, T.
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Old 04-01-2019, 03:18 PM
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Originally Posted by trejsic.mejsic View Post
OP, this is interesting stuff.

Please do some updates now and again to let us know if anything changes for the better.

Best of luck getting things squared away.

Cheers, T.
Thanks I will.
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Old 04-01-2019, 03:28 PM
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When you fish in a crowd of better boats or fisherman than the slightest inperfection will lead to low catch rate.
Dredges and spreader bars work! Point! Especially if you fish in a crowd with 5000$ gear ....
If you don't wanna spend $$$ to be up to date with the rest of the pack, then go and look for other fishing grounds where you are alone.
Tunas are picky! Some day they like this color, other day other color
Big Rapala can give good results, one in the center with a wighted line (Monel) or a wind-on weight to keep it down and deep
Here in the Los SueŮos area we fish for small 20-50lbs tuna on the edge of a pod of dolphins, minimum speed and jigging action using either centerfire lures or small transparent silicone squid. Any other lure or Ballyhoo or faster speed will usually not work!
Fish from one of the good boats with your gear and see what happens: if you still dont fish then it's you or your gear, if you fish then it's most likely your boat
If you think your boat could be the culprit, try to trim out the engine half way or as much you can without ventilating, this will shorten the lenght of the propeller wash or change weight distribution to have boat more bow up/down at trolling speed,
switch off any pumps, switch off music, dont stomp around as this and can modify the sound your boat makes.
Important is a positive attitude! When you leave the dock with the strong believe that today you will fishh, then you will. If you leave already frustrated then you will not fish!
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Old 04-01-2019, 03:38 PM
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Originally Posted by cummins28 View Post




My big question from the beginning was can the boat be a problem never thought I would believe in that crazy sounding stuff before but Iím believing it now.

Im getting a new prop and some bottom paint next.
At the captains meeting for every tournament we fish I can give you a list of 75% of the boats that are just donating their money. I wonít say some boats are fish raisers but I think some sound less unattractive.
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Old 04-01-2019, 04:20 PM
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Bring someone that is successful out on your boat.. they will figure it out.....
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Old 04-01-2019, 04:26 PM
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Originally Posted by offshorebri View Post
Bring someone that is successful out on your boat.. they will figure it out.....
This. Sometimes a different pair of eyes is good. But I would also trim engine down, tabs up. Adjust speed .5 knot either way or more depending on which way your trolling. Keep it simple with ballyhoo and sea witches fished farther back. Don't fish in the fleet and find your own water so your spread stands out.
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Old 04-01-2019, 04:36 PM
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Actually did find my own water, by the end of the day the fleet was fishing where we were the whole day.
I rarely if ever fish with the charter boats.

Thanks for all the help
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Old 04-01-2019, 04:40 PM
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I hate to sound like I have an a comeback for everything, but I do keep my tabs up and motor down. The boat does have a really ugly wake but thatís something I cannot change. I think a lot of that is from the bracket.
Iím Just gonna start fishing my lures so far back we canít see them.
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Old 04-01-2019, 04:45 PM
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Ever try having a local tuna captain on for a trip or two and paying them to give it a go? See if the luck changes and learn what they did?
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Old 04-01-2019, 05:02 PM
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This is a lesson, I learned, do not know if it applies to you. Are you a smoker? I fish the east coast for bft and have learned that baits handled by a smoker do not fish very well. May sound silly but went threw something like what your going threw and another captain pointed it out to me, long story short it changed my game and improved it. tight lines and good luck
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Old 04-01-2019, 05:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Captinlon View Post
This is a lesson, I learned, do not know if it applies to you. Are you a smoker? I fish the east coast for bft and have learned that baits handled by a smoker do not fish very well. May sound silly but went threw something like what your going threw and another captain pointed it out to me, long story short it changed my game and improved it. tight lines and good luck
hate to admit it but a smoker here and probably zeroing in on close to a half million in tournament wins.
BACK TO REELALITY and pje like this.
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Old 04-01-2019, 08:01 PM
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Don't keep running the same bait that is not working. Run small lures 5-9" and run some way way back at lease 50 yards back and run a bird. Change your speed 7-11kts and see what works.
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Originally Posted by jaybyrd83ecu View Post
....Try dragging some cedar plugs way the hell back in another area code and see what happens.....

Fixed that for you.
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Originally Posted by Captinlon View Post
This is a lesson, I learned, do not know if it applies to you. Are you a smoker? I fish the east coast for bft and have learned that baits handled by a smoker do not fish very well. May sound silly but went threw something like what your going threw and another captain pointed it out to me, long story short it changed my game and improved it. tight lines and good luck
I had a regular that smelled like he bathed in aftershave. I think he did it in an attempt to cover up the booze. Didnít catch much with him on board.

I donít bathe less than 12 hours before I go out, cover up instead of sunblock and wash my fishing clothes and tools with unscented natural soaps.
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For tuna, I have found the back baits do better and I also do better if I up the speed a little. Just 1-2MPH faster than I typically troll for Mahi does wonders for the Tuna catch.
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