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Old 03-15-2019, 03:10 PM
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If you find yourself among a great top water tuna bite and for some reason you need to re-tie, what knot would you use tying braid to a swivel? The FG knot is not the quickest knot to tie especially if its a little windy.
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Doubled up palomar for sure. Quick, easy, and significantly stronger than a regular palomar when using braid.

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FG knot is for braid to leader (no swivel) Its Smoother through the guides, right behind a twistys or loop to loop.
A knot for Braid to swivel....., you can palomar or double it, but w palomar have to make sure the top of loop pulls over the entire knot and doesn't lay on top. Its a great knot but last part is crucial.
I sometimes will also tie an improved clinch knot 8-10 turn.
But at final part of loop, put tag end of braid through twice..,,
( line will never slip) Moisten and pull tight.
Either one is will get job done.

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In a rush and tuna are in a frenzy and Im throwing a popper?! Im going straight braid to the plug. Tuna teeth are cone shaped and smooth and generally youll be fine going straight braid in a pinch.
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Never use a swivel when casting to tuna always direct connection. I do use a swivel when chunking and that is braid to swivel (uni) and flouro to swivel (clinch) and never had a failure. Keep it simple and strong.

In the heat of battle on top water and I need a new leader I would still be able to tie an improved FG pretty quick however if I am THAT desperate or it's cold and my hand dexterity is limited I'll do a quick 5 turn surgeons in the braid and then a yucatan knot to that loop. This also has never failed but isn't super clean going through guides. One epic day in Dec 2015 I broke a leader and it was 27 degrees and blowing 10-15. My hands were numb at this point. I tied that exact knot and 2 casts later bagged a 58" bluefin. So if you can do that in those conditions it works.

The reason most guys won't swivel is b/c you, ideally, want at least 1' more leader than the target fish you are casting at which means the leader is going to need to be up into the guides as about only 3' of hang from the tip is best to load up the rod for a long cast. When I cast my connection is basically just in front of the bail.

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If you find yourself among a great top water tuna bite and for some reason you need to re-tie, what knot would you use tying braid to a swivel? The FG knot is not the quickest knot to tie especially if its a little windy.
Kirk, I didnít mean to be so quick w my keyboard regarding what the FG knot is for. It was the Burbon making me type faster than I was drinking......I know you ate knowledgeable, I have watched many of your videos. There are so many knots out there nowadays itís crazy. You probably just got caught up w a typo when FG on a swivel.
Like Swell said above, I also keep it simple and my swivel and split ring is at end to change out lures quickly. Plenty of guys will also tie to barrel swivel then short piece of flour like 3í then a popper. This way swivel is outside his tip..
I donít think the fish will care as much throwing a popper that close to the braid. Maybe w a stickbait they have a better chance of seeing the braid since more of it is in the water than with a popper where most all of line is out of water. No matter what, keeping the connection off the spool is the main goal.

Whenever Basspond or Swellhunter throw up a post or thread I read it twice. Those 2 are very dialed into the JignPop game. When Craig was buying his Onslow he picked my brain about the boat, but I was sure to pick his back, about the local top water scene. Great guy w/ a Wealth of proven info. Those Damm Jersey guys!





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Centauri knot.It even work well in a pinch with the heaviest of mono (400#) when you can't crimp.Worth knowing and very fast to tie.
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Kirk, I didnít mean to be so quick w my keyboard regarding what the FG knot is for. It was the Burbon making me type faster than I was drinking......I know you know your stuff, I have read and watched many of your videos. There are so many knots out there nowadays itís crazy. You probably just got confused w a typo.
Like Swell said above, I also keep it simple and my swivel and split ring is at end to change out lures quickly. Plenty of guys will also tie to barrel swivel then short piece of flour like 3í then a popper. This way swivel is outside his tip..
I donít think the fish will care as much throwing a popper that close to the braid. Maybe w a stickbait they have a better chance of seeing the braid since more of it is in the water than with a popper where most all of line is out of water. No matter what, keeping the connection off the spool is the main goal.

Whenever Basspond or Swellhunter throw up a post or thread I read it twice. Those 2 are very dialed into the JignPop game. When Craig was buying his Onslow he picked my brain about the boat, but I was sure to pick his back, about the local top water scene. Great guy w/ a Wealth of proven info. Those Damm Jersey guys!






I guess I wasnít clear . If you were going to just tie a braid knot to a swivel than a short leader to your popper which knot would you use when tying your braid to swivel. Swellhunter, I understand that you want a leader the length of the fish that you are targeting.
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Just to reiterated what was previously said, for topwater tuna the general consensus is your reel should be spooled with hollowcore braid with a loop spliced in at the end. Solid braid for jigging as it has less water resistance so you'll get less scope.

Loop to loop to a casting wind on or twisted leader system, I do both, but primarily used homemade or BHP casting wind ons last season. Knotless connection all the way to your plug.

I've definitely been in the situation many times offshore when you get sharked, etc. and have to re-tie. I'm not splicing loops in hollowcore in the middle of a hot bite so I do a four or five turn surgeons loop in the hollow and loop to loop to another wind on leader. Another option is a yucatan knot from the braid to the bite leader.

Of course this is also the reason why those of us that love the topwater game have so many damn rods... Glad I have the double rocket launcher on my OB since the boat looks like a pincushion...
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for braid to mono uni to uni with the braid doubled braid to swivel Palomar or imp clinch with a few extra twists whichever you have confidence in I use both
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For strong & fast, braid to swivel, lure, or hook it is Palomar.

For strong & fast, braid to leader, leader around braid with 2 turn Surgeons Knot & braid around leader with 9 turn Uni Knot, wet and pull knots together then trim tags.
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Triple or 5 turn surgeons works fine No issues. Fast to tie under any conditions
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San diego jam for all hook and swivel connections. Consistently tests 90-95% of line rating around smaller (not big game 11/0) hooks.

fastest/strongest ratio braid to leader in my opinion is the alberto knot. yes, it is always weaker than an FG or bimini to bristol, but in a hurry, frenzied situation casting to a tuna foamer, grab the 60, 80 or 100 pound fluoro and be done in less than 40 seconds from spool to leader to lure.
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When I first started looking to cast at tuna around 10 years ago I always just tied 3í of flouro to a spro and keep it out of the guides. Invariably, because the bite gets hot or I am all excited, I donít pay attention and the swivel hits the guide. Not fun on a $700 rod. But yes it works and a clinch knot wonít fail if you are in a hurry with cold hands. Ever.

The only issue I am not aligned with Basspond in 2019 on is I am all improved FG pop and jig rigs. Iíve been tying them all winter and actually chucked them yesterday up the lagoon. Seriously zero and I mean absolutely zero resistance of any nature through the guides. I feel I have gotten quick enough at them to do one way faster than a twisty leader and could do it at sea as long as I wasnít in a super rush.

Basspond has the other BEST answer but itís the most expensive one. Backup rods ready to fire!!!
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Braid to leader: RP knot a/k/a John Collins knot. Easy and slim. Sometimes you wish it would break. And I am a knot snob.
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San diego jam for all hook and swivel connections. Consistently tests 90-95% of line rating around smaller (not big game 11/0) hooks.
I've done a lot of knot reviews and the san diego jam is one of the very best. If you want an easy to use braid knot the trilene knot is 1 I've had good luck using
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When I first started looking to cast at tuna around 10 years ago I always just tied 3’ of flouro to a spro and keep it out of the guides. Invariably, because the bite gets hot or I am all excited, I don’t pay attention and the swivel hits the guide. Not fun on a $700 rod. But yes it works and a clinch knot won’t fail if you are in a hurry with cold hands. Ever.

The only issue I am not aligned with Basspond in 2019 on is I am all improved FG pop and jig rigs. I’ve been tying them all winter and actually chucked them yesterday up the lagoon. Seriously zero and I mean absolutely zero resistance of any nature through the guides. I feel I have gotten quick enough at them to do one way faster than a twisty leader and could do it at sea as long as I wasn’t in a super rush.

Basspond has the other BEST answer but it’s the most expensive one. Backup rods ready to fire!!!

Man, if you are Craig Are Not aligned and the season just started than that’s a good sign for us Long Island guys to pull ahead Definately gonna take advantage of this lovers quarrel
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