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C3D 03-14-2019 01:37 PM

Felony charges for cheating in Texas bass fishing tourny
 


A fisherman in Texas has been indicted by a grand jury in Wood County after allegedly trimming a bass’ tail to meet weigh-in requirements in September’s McDonald Big Bass Splash at Lake Fork, according to the Texas Parks and Wildlife Department.

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https://nypost.com/2019/03/14/fisher...ss-tournament/

mgd 03-14-2019 01:41 PM

Dang man...warn a guy that when u click on that 1st link u get a full face of the guy!!!!!!!!!!!!

wojtek 03-14-2019 01:47 PM

25 grand bond? I bet people had smaller bonds if they killed somebody.

Joe Lane 03-14-2019 01:55 PM

Absolutely ridiculous. Waste of resources. Fine the guy and be done with it.

tmd11111 03-14-2019 01:56 PM


Originally Posted by wojtek (Post 12335301)
25 grand bond? I bet people had smaller bonds if they killed somebody.

Yup, they take bass tournaments pretty serious down here.

20biminitwist 03-14-2019 02:49 PM


Originally Posted by Joe Lane (Post 12335324)
Absolutely ridiculous. Waste of resources. Fine the guy and be done with it.

It's grand theft. How do you like to get ripped off/ stolen from?

I suppose if he stole thousands from your home it would be a waste of resources.

Give me a break! He is just another piece of shit that probably would steal anything he could get his hands on, to include your boat, money or WTF ever.

YEA, JUST FINE HIM! BS!

ronp364 03-14-2019 03:53 PM


Originally Posted by 20biminitwist (Post 12335472)
It's grand theft. How do you like to get ripped off/ stolen from?

I suppose if he stole thousands from your home it would be a waste of resources.

Give me a break! He is just another piece of shit that probably would steal anything he could get his hands on, to include your boat, money or WTF ever.

YEA, JUST FINE HIM! BS!

Ridiculous. It's a civil matter. What's next, go after granny down at the bingo hall for claiming she had N27 to win the basket of cheer?

bluescholar 03-14-2019 04:15 PM


Originally Posted by ronp364 (Post 12335679)
Ridiculous. It's a civil matter. What's next, go after granny down at the bingo hall for claiming she had N27 to win the basket of cheer?


how much was the purse? Dude is probably stealing thousands of dollars from the tournament, why shouldn’t the police be involved?

Rferrell 03-14-2019 04:26 PM

Around here I would imagine that you would just get disqualified from the tourney. Don’t condone cheating at all but this seems kinda harsh.

ronp364 03-14-2019 04:30 PM


Originally Posted by bluescholar (Post 12335753)



how much was the purse? Dude is probably stealing thousands of dollars from the tournament, why shouldn’t the police be involved?

Were police involved when the boat was disqualified in the White Marlin Open last year? Close to $3M in prize money in that one, and an entrant was disqualified for breaking a rule and apparently lied in a polygraph about it. Hint, no they were not.

When cops have caught all the rapists and robbers, they might have time for this.

It's not a question of whether anyone is "stealing money". It's that a bunch of private citizens get together and pool their money so that according to certain rules, one of them can walk away with it. Pulling a gun on everyone else and running off with the money is certainly a crime. Claiming you won when you cut a corner, not so much.

bluescholar 03-14-2019 04:47 PM


Originally Posted by ronp364 (Post 12335806)
Were police involved when the boat was disqualified in the White Marlin Open last year? Close to $3M in prize money in that one, and an entrant was disqualified for breaking a rule and apparently lied in a polygraph about it. Hint, no they were not.

When cops have caught all the rapists and robbers, they might have time for this.

It's not a question of whether anyone is "stealing money". It's that a bunch of private citizens get together and pool their money so that according to certain rules, one of them can walk away with it. Pulling a gun on everyone else and running off with the money is certainly a crime. Claiming you won when you cut a corner, not so much.

I don’t know, but what is the difference between stealing $3 million from a bank or committing fraud and stealing $3 million from a bank account or $3 million from a fishing tournament?

20biminitwist 03-14-2019 07:32 PM


Originally Posted by bluescholar (Post 12335847)


I don’t know, but what is the difference between stealing $3 million from a bank or committing fraud and stealing $3 million from a bank account or $3 million from a fishing tournament?

Yep!
Let them walk, nobody got hurt!:roll

This is exactly what's wrong with this country.
Theft is Theft.

Steal from me without breaking in my truck or my home your still stealing from me and I work for my stuff whether a fishing tournament or digging a ditch. Yea, poach my property that I worked my life for to have a place to hunt. Steal my treestands, my 4 Wheeler's or anything else not nailed down. There is no such thing as a victimless crime.

Spend several grand on anything and let some one snake you out of it you might feel a little different.

As for the WMO the police were not involved but the courts were. It just didn't require the police to get them to show in civil court.

Almost forgot.

Altering a fish in Florida is a criminal misdemeanor that can bring several charges. It's not a civil crime! I hope Texas is the same!

7hetexsan 03-14-2019 08:16 PM

I hope they nail his ass. Think of the other competitors who spent money to enter the tournament, took time off work, paid for gas, food, hotels, lures and a hundred other things. Someone cheating to win, what those people paid to have a shot at, is exactly the same as stealing.

tbaxl 03-14-2019 08:27 PM

How about a good old fashioned tar and feathering by the contestants and the police catch a criminal that is really a menace to society. It’s fishing, it’s also the reason I don’t waste my time tourney fishing, so I don’t have to deal with the nitwits on both ends of the spectrum.

R Days 03-15-2019 04:30 AM

Imagine trying to get prison cred with that arrest.

Jus Teasin 03-15-2019 06:20 AM


Originally Posted by ronp364 (Post 12335679)
Ridiculous. It's a civil matter. What's next, go after granny down at the bingo hall for claiming she had N27 to win the basket of cheer?

BS!!......Everyone knows that 27 will be in the I column! :trout:

ronp364 03-15-2019 07:04 AM


Originally Posted by 20biminitwist (Post 12336466)
Yep!
Let them walk, nobody got hurt!:roll

This is exactly what's wrong with this country.
Theft is Theft.

Steal from me without breaking in my truck or my home your still stealing from me and I work for my stuff whether a fishing tournament or digging a ditch. Yea, poach my property that I worked my life for to have a place to hunt. Steal my treestands, my 4 Wheeler's or anything else not nailed down. There is no such thing as a victimless crime.

Spend several grand on anything and let some one snake you out of it you might feel a little different.

As for the WMO the police were not involved but the courts were. It just didn't require the police to get them to show in civil court.

Almost forgot.

Altering a fish in Florida is a criminal misdemeanor that can bring several charges. It's not a civil crime! I hope Texas is the same!

The courts were involved because the guy who was denied the prize on a technicality sued. It's hardly the same thing as this.

As far as the guy altering the fish to appear legal, ooh, he kept an illegal fish. What's that, a $500 fine? People keep illegal fish every day. Most alter them by cleaning and eating them before anyone sees.

The attempted fraud was discovered, he didn't get the $, move on. It's a waste of public resources and should be laughed out of court.

If someone was potentially able to defraud people of thousands of dollars by pulling out a pair of scissors and snipping at a dead hunk of food, it speaks to the stupidity of the contest and its entrants. Personally I wouldn't risk $5 on a contest where I didn't know all the other players and the whole thing depended on some level of the honor system. I doubt there has EVER been a fishing tournament anywhere that didn't have some level of cheating - and it seems everyone involved in them knows this, otherwise why would there be agreements about using lie detectors?


Fresh2Salty 03-15-2019 07:09 AM

They should just let him go.... after they clip a few inches off him. (size ratio thing)

20biminitwist 03-15-2019 07:33 AM


Originally Posted by ronp364 (Post 12337380)
The courts were involved because the guy who was denied the prize on a technicality sued. It's hardly the same thing as this.

As far as the guy altering the fish to appear legal, ooh, he kept an illegal fish. What's that, a $500 fine? People keep illegal fish every day. Most alter them by cleaning and eating them before anyone sees.

The attempted fraud was discovered, he didn't get the $, move on. It's a waste of public resources and should be laughed out of court.

If someone was potentially able to defraud people of thousands of dollars by pulling out a pair of scissors and snipping at a dead hunk of food, it speaks to the stupidity of the contest and its entrants. Personally I wouldn't risk $5 on a contest where I didn't know all the other players and the whole thing depended on some level of the honor system. I doubt there has EVER been a fishing tournament anywhere that didn't have some level of cheating - and it seems everyone involved in them knows this, otherwise why would there be agreements about using lie detectors?



Fraud goes on every day and fraudulent acts can and have ruined peoples lives. Not the case here to that extreme but it's the act of fraud attempted that brought the charges. Fraud is a white collar crime per say but there are going to be victims.

When you now have the intent that this guy had to manipulate this fish that is illegal to purposely defraud others of money he is a piece of shit. Remember, he not only broke tournament rules he broke the law as well in his scheme.

"Ridiculous. It's a civil matter. What's next, go after granny down at the bingo hall for claiming she had N27 to win the basket of cheer?"

No, but granny could be the old lady that gets swindled by a fraudulent act that takes her life savings. It happens everyday to the elderly by the same piece of shit people like this guy.

I'm always amazed at what people think is acceptable as long as it doesn't effect them.

CNBarron 03-15-2019 07:38 AM

Competitive fishing is a form of gambling and is thereby under Federal gaming laws. I'm sure the penalties are pretty hefty for cheating casinos and lotteries.


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