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Felony charges for cheating in Texas bass fishing tourny

Old 03-15-2019, 07:38 AM
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Competitive fishing is a form of gambling and is thereby under Federal gaming laws. I'm sure the penalties are pretty hefty for cheating casinos and lotteries.
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Old 03-15-2019, 08:04 AM
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How do they prove he cut a portion of a fishes tail off??
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Old 03-15-2019, 08:59 AM
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Originally Posted by 20biminitwist View Post

Fraud goes on every day and fraudulent acts can and have ruined peoples lives. Not the case here to that extreme but it's the act of fraud attempted that brought the charges. Fraud is a white collar crime per say but there are going to be victims.

When you now have the intent that this guy had to manipulate this fish that is illegal to purposely defraud others of money he is a piece of shit. Remember, he not only broke tournament rules he broke the law as well in his scheme.

"Ridiculous. It's a civil matter. What's next, go after granny down at the bingo hall for claiming she had N27 to win the basket of cheer?"

No, but granny could be the old lady that gets swindled by a fraudulent act that takes her life savings. It happens everyday to the elderly by the same piece of shit people like this guy.

I'm always amazed at what people think is acceptable as long as it doesn't effect them.
Acceptable? Who said it was acceptable? Does something have to be prosecuted as a felony if it's not acceptable? I don't consider speeding in a school zone acceptable, but it's not a felony.
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Old 03-15-2019, 09:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Re-Bait View Post
How do they prove he cut a portion of a fishes tail off??
I was wondering that myself. I had a checker many years ago wonder out loud if I had removed eggs from a lobster's tail. I did not and didn't get fined but I have been falsely accused of a few other things in my life and wonder how they proved that tail cut.
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Old 03-15-2019, 11:25 AM
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Well a nicely trimmed tail is not natural. In the past, the anglers would take care of this guy. There was a guy here that got cheating in a local small redfish tourney a few years ago. He received the message very clear from a couple of anglers. He has never fished in another tourney, he got the point. He was way to scared to go to the police because of what could happen. Fear is a strong motivator to change your ways.

This guy will receive a slap on the wrist, if he has no priors. He will be banned from the tourney he fished in for life. He won’t be banned from fishing in other events and this douche bag will do it again. No one has put the fear of God into him to not cheat. Believe me, this is not the first time he has altered a fish. It’s the first time he got caught.
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Old 03-15-2019, 01:27 PM
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Acceptable? Who said it was acceptable? Does something have to be prosecuted as a felony if it's not acceptable? I don't consider speeding in a school zone acceptable, but it's not a felony.
It is if you kill a kid and it's called manslaughter not murder. That would be a felony as well.

Have fun as to what you consider and accept as OK.

The guy got a felony charge for a reason which we don't know why as far as I can tell.

Maybe the guy has habitually sped through school zones, cheated and committed fraud before at other events.

I just hope he doesn't mash your child in a school zone doing 30 over the speed limit because his prior activities where just civil fines from the same actions.

Yep, 3 civil fines/tickets for hauling ass in a school zone. We read about this shit every day and say why is this guy on the street.

It's because the many accept the stupidity of others actions as long as it doesen't effect them directly.

I'm sure he was a good boy!

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Old 03-15-2019, 02:22 PM
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Originally Posted by 20biminitwist View Post
It is if you kill a kid and it's called manslaughter not murder. That would be a felony as well.

Have fun as to what you consider and accept as OK.

The guy got a felony charge for a reason which we don't know why as far as I can tell.

Maybe the guy has habitually sped through school zones, cheated and committed fraud before at other events.

I just hope he doesn't mash your child in a school zone doing 30 over the speed limit because his prior activities where just civil fines from the same actions.

Yep, 3 civil fines/tickets for hauling ass in a school zone. We read about this shit every day and say why is this guy on the street.

It's because the many accept the stupidity of others actions as long as it doesen't effect them directly.

I'm sure he was a good boy!
You have reading comprehension problems, or perhaps lack the intellectual capacity to understand analogies. This is not a useful discussion.
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Originally Posted by ronp364 View Post
You have reading comprehension problems, or perhaps lack the intellectual capacity to understand analogies. This is not a useful discussion.
In your defense of which there is none, you are correct.

I do however know what a cheating lying SOB is and know when some folks defend such actions.
If your good with it doesn't mean I'm gonna be.
Take it for what it is and hope you never get on the short end of the stick.

Your intellect and analogies will do for you what your deserved one day!
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Old 03-15-2019, 05:54 PM
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Originally Posted by ronp364 View Post
Were police involved when the boat was disqualified in the White Marlin Open last year? Close to $3M in prize money in that one, and an entrant was disqualified for breaking a rule and apparently lied in a polygraph about it. Hint, no they were not.

When cops have caught all the rapists and robbers, they might have time for this.

It's not a question of whether anyone is "stealing money". It's that a bunch of private citizens get together and pool their money so that according to certain rules, one of them can walk away with it. Pulling a gun on everyone else and running off with the money is certainly a crime. Claiming you won when you cut a corner, not so much.
Bullcrap. It's cheating and stealing. Call it what it is.
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Old 03-15-2019, 06:35 PM
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This reminds me of watching Live PD. The cops ruff up a kid with a $40 bag of weed. What a waste. Go find some real crimes. There are hundreds of murders every day. Maybe we should be working on those instead.
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Old 03-15-2019, 08:08 PM
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This reminds me of watching Live PD. The cops ruff up a kid with a $40 bag of weed. What a waste. Go find some real crimes. There are hundreds of murders every day. Maybe we should be working on those instead.
Thatís not even close to the same thing. This idiot tried to defraud his fellow anglers to win money he didnít earn. He also broke the laws of the State of Texas. Bass tournaments are a big deal here and this wasnít a club tourney for a trophy. It wasnít an honest mistake, if he didnít know that the fish was slightly over the minimum length, why would he cut it? As a previous poster said, it was almost certainly not the first time he cheated. Either way, all the rules, regulations and penalties are covered in the meeting thatís held the day before the tournament. Heís not some teenager with a bag of weed, he intentionally cheated and he harmed a fish that are always released alive when possible. There are more details here:


https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.sta...227741894.html
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Old 03-16-2019, 01:42 PM
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Originally Posted by SeaPro48 View Post
Bullcrap. It's cheating and stealing. Call it what it is.
Don't drop the soap.
Intelligent people aren't so easy to cheat.

I guess Texas needs special laws for it's 'special' citizens.

Regardless, the parade of outraged THT snowflakes is as asinine here as is it on the pelican thread.
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Old 03-16-2019, 03:36 PM
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Originally Posted by ronp364 View Post
Intelligent people aren't so easy to cheat.

I guess Texas needs special laws for it's 'special' citizens.

Regardless, the parade of outraged THT snowflakes is as asinine here as is it on the pelican thread.
You just explained yourself and type well. Great job!
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Old 03-16-2019, 03:51 PM
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I haven't watched Bass tournaments since the days of Roland Martin and Jimmy Houston but why is there a slot limit in a Bass tourny? I thought whoever got the most weight won. I mean the tournament is called Big Bass Splash and you can't keep a big one? And so I don't derail I think he should be punished according to the amount of prize money he was trying to cheat someone else out of.
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Old 03-16-2019, 04:22 PM
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Well, when we start providing guaranteed income without working, guys like this won't have to cheat. Plus, they will also have more time for the arts and philosophy.
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Old 03-16-2019, 05:15 PM
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Originally Posted by peacemon View Post
I haven't watched Bass tournaments since the days of Roland Martin and Jimmy Houston but why is there a slot limit in a Bass tourny? I thought whoever got the most weight won. I mean the tournament is called Big Bass Splash and you can't keep a big one? And so I don't derail I think he should be punished according to the amount of prize money he was trying to cheat someone else out of.
It was over 10K in prize money. There is a slot limit on the lake he was fishing like many places. Read the thread and the attached links before you go to thinking and wondering. Redfish tournaments are on weight all over Florida. You can not possess one over 27 inches or under 18.

He broke the law and the tournament rules. He tried to steal 10K and got caught and that's grand theft every where and is a felony!
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Originally Posted by peacemon View Post
I haven't watched Bass tournaments since the days of Roland Martin and Jimmy Houston but why is there a slot limit in a Bass tourny? I thought whoever got the most weight won. I mean the tournament is called Big Bass Splash and you can't keep a big one? And so I don't derail I think he should be punished according to the amount of prize money he was trying to cheat someone else out of.
If the lake the tournament is on has a slot limit then they have to comply with it
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Old 03-16-2019, 08:57 PM
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For those of you who donít know, Lake Fork is famous for itís trophy bass. That slot limit was instituted to protect the black bass population in that lake. The slot limit is unique, but makes sense. You can NOT keep fish between 16 and 24 inches. You can keep one per day thatís longer than 24. Most likely, this idiot caught one that was a little over 16 inches. He trimmed the tail to make it a ďlegalĒ fish. Hope he gets his balls stomped.
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Old 03-17-2019, 10:29 AM
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This is Texas, and Bass Fishing is sacred. But you're right, this is a waste of public resources.
Surprised they didn't just string him up.
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Originally Posted by ronp364 View Post
Ridiculous. It's a civil matter. What's next, go after granny down at the bingo hall for claiming she had N27 to win the basket of cheer?
It's not a Civil matter. It's a third degree felony charge, he was indicted by a criminal grand jury.

This is a criminal charge. There is nothing civil about it.

In short: He stole money through fraud. Just as surely as you would go to jail for bank fraud, or wire fraud, or cheating on your taxes.

It is a big deal. Felonies are good for years in jail.
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