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chrisguga 03-10-2019 06:52 AM

Budget friendly bottom fishing rod/reel suggestions...
 
A buddy and I both own boats and were getting more and more into fishing. Were wanting to upgrade our gear from 10 and 12 foot surf rods which are just bulky around the boat to proper bottom fishing gear.

I dont necessarily have a budget in mind, but Im expecting to pay around $100 per reel and $50 per rod. I assume this is realistic.

Also, spinning vs baitcast type...what are the pros and cons?

Thanks for the ideas!

EdwardB 03-10-2019 07:22 AM

Chris:

At the risk of sounding like our THT brother, "mystery" I would do a quick search here and other sites on spinning vs baitcasting. You can bottom fish sucessfully with both but conventional tackle for bottom fishing is, well, more "conventional" - LOL. I have bottomed fishing with both many times though. Your budget is on the low end of the scale and if you've done any shopping around at all you'll already know that. Even these low-end outfits will likely be a bit above your budget unless you go used ( which there is nothing wrong that, mind you)

I am in the process of putting together a 6 pack trip and just bought a couple of the bottom fishing combos that I'm about to recommend for a couple of newbies that are coming along more for the "hanging with the boys" than to fish seriously. I picked up a couple of Penn 113H 4/0 senators (the ones with the red side plates) and MH Uglystik Tiger Lite rods. I am not sharing any super secret squirrel info here. Many folks have cut their fishin' teeth on these combos. If you continue fishing you'll undoubtedly move on the better quality gear but these first outfits will keep on serving you as loaners and back ups for many years to come with regular maintenance. If you've done any party boat fishing, you've seen the penn senator (usually on a penn fiberglass broomstick) as the quintessential rental outfit. These reels have been around forever and are easy to work on and service. Good luck and catchem up!

One last thing - I would post fishing questions in the Sportfishing and Charters section instead of the boating forum - no harm/no foul - just sayin.....:thumbsup:

chrisguga 03-10-2019 07:29 AM

Thanks Edward. Maybe a mod could move this for me?

Thanks for the advice on the rod and reel combos. My buddy and I have no problem paying more if necessary for decent starter gear. Ill look into that combo you mentioned.

Also, looking on Amazon, the Penn Squal Levelwind is just a little more, but says its more for trolling, drifting, etc. Is there really any important difference between these two for their uses? Id like to use this rod and reel combo for bottom fishing, but also trolling or whatever else might get a bite on a particular day.

BST24351 03-10-2019 08:02 AM

cant go wrong with a penn battle and a ugly stick for starters. have fun be safe and never take a 10ft pole on a boat lol

barrell 03-10-2019 08:05 AM


Originally Posted by BST24351 (Post 12320282)
cant go wrong with a penn battle and a ugly stick for starters. have fun be safe and never take a 10ft pole on a boat lol

Best setup for the money. Just make sure you get the ugly stick lite jigging rod rated for line over 100 pound test. Get the big 7000 series battle and fill it with 80 pound braid.

DarcizzleOffshore 03-10-2019 08:30 AM

Shimano TLD combos run about 150 on CL. Will last you forever and be multipurpose.

LISteiger 03-10-2019 08:44 AM

Where are you fishing? What are you fishing for? What depths? If just bottom fishing go with a baitcaster or conventional. Since you have limited equipment a spinning set up will provide more fishing options, not ideal for bottom fishing but will not prevent you from catching fish.
I mostly bottom fish with a conventional but always have a spinning rod rigged and ready.

This setup seems like a good value, I had a similar setup and did VERY well with it.
https://www.westmarine.com/buy/penn-...26?recordNum=2

chrisguga 03-10-2019 09:08 AM


Originally Posted by LISteiger (Post 12320431)
Where are you fishing? What are you fishing for? What depths? If just bottom fishing go with a baitcaster or conventional. Since you have limited equipment a spinning set up will provide more fishing options, not ideal for bottom fishing but will not prevent you from catching fish.
I mostly bottom fish with a conventional but always have a spinning rod rigged and ready.

This setup seems like a good value, I had a similar setup and did VERY well with it.
https://www.westmarine.com/buy/penn-...26?recordNum=2

Were fishing in the panhandle. Last year, I mostly trolled within about 5-6 miles of shore because I didnt have a fishfinder. Now, I have a Raymarine Dragonfly 7 Pro and my buddys boat has a Simrad unit that works well. Were just fishing public numbers within about 15 miles of shore, typically in 40-80 feet. Well go out further and further once we get more comfortable, more safety gear, etc.

Versatile rods and reels would be great as id like to be able to bottom fish, troll, drift, etc without having to buy multiple combinations for each type of fishing.

barrell 03-10-2019 09:39 AM


Originally Posted by LISteiger (Post 12320431)
Where are you fishing? What are you fishing for? What depths? If just bottom fishing go with a baitcaster or conventional. Since you have limited equipment a spinning set up will provide more fishing options, not ideal for bottom fishing but will not prevent you from catching fish.
I mostly bottom fish with a conventional but always have a spinning rod rigged and ready.

This setup seems like a good value, I had a similar setup and did VERY well with it.
https://www.westmarine.com/buy/penn-...26?recordNum=2

All I do is bottom fish .Usually in around 100 feet but sometimes deeper. I havent used a conventional reel in years. The spinning reels of today have more drag, line capacity, and retrieve more line with each pump of the rod. Todays spinning jigging rods make it possibly to land blue fin tuna yet still cast a big popper 50 yards if needed. I troll, jig,baitfish,and flatline with the same combos.

Capt Grady 23 Gulfstream 03-10-2019 11:25 AM


Originally Posted by chrisguga (Post 12320045)
A buddy and I both own boats and were getting more and more into fishing. Were wanting to upgrade our gear from 10 and 12 foot surf rods which are just bulky around the boat to proper bottom fishing gear.

I dont necessarily have a budget in mind, but Im expecting to pay around $100 per reel and $50 per rod. I assume this is realistic.

Also, spinning vs baitcast type...what are the pros and cons?

Thanks for the ideas!


I have used Peno, Diana, Shimano, even Zebco(was garbage) in my over 60 years salt.


Lots of changes, Penn was favorite until they went to China. Always used conventional level wind to aavoid tangles, BUT now I will say that large spinners(used Penn 750 or 7500ss) and a medium/heavy spinning rod with not too heavy tip, is my favorite all around setup for bottom fishing.

Of. Course you probably will want aheavier outfit for those great days when you get lucky, but using chart numbers not too likely. Some will say be ready for that large shark or AJ and go.heavy all the time, but my brother landed a shark 125 lbs. With a small Penn 209, did take over an hour though. Soooooo, I say plan your strategy before you buy, as far as those fish go. If you like that long battle idea, then buy a Penn 4 or 6 ought reel and heavy rod USED, plenty around(112-113 models I believe). Put those rigs out with LARGE bait, on a large cork for sharks, live bait or cut bait will work well.

Pm me for more details on purchasing etc. If you like, I have some gear available for sale I don't need.

finman 03-10-2019 01:59 PM


Originally Posted by BST24351 (Post 12320282)
cant go wrong with a penn battle and a ugly stick for starters. have fun be safe and never take a 10ft pole on a boat lol

my exact thoughts or up grade to the schimano stradic and there rods

Bryan A. 03-10-2019 02:13 PM

Ugly Stick.

jfish8 03-11-2019 12:30 AM

As stated above, the best budget bottom fishing combo is an older USA made Penn Senator 4/0 and and ugly stik jigging rod. You can pretty much hit the star drag on those reels with a ball peen hammer and hold on. If you want to troll with them too just attach 25 yards or so of mono on top for a shock absorber and call it a day.

tonyc69 03-11-2019 02:12 AM

Give these a look - https://www.tackledirect.com/ande-to...ging-rods.html


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Capt Grady 23 Gulfstream 03-11-2019 03:50 AM


Originally Posted by jfish8 (Post 12322556)
As stated above, the best budget bottom fishing combo is an older USA made Penn Senator 4/0 and and ugly stik jigging rod. You can pretty much hit the star drag on those reels with a ball peen hammer and hold on. If you want to troll with them too just attach 25 yards or so of mono on top for a shock absorber and call it a day.


My statement was the 4/0 Penn is good for heavier than budget bottom gear.

As stated, I now prefer older Penn spinning reels 750/7500 or larger for Offshore, because of no tangle, quick retrieve, good drag, light weight pleasure fishing. I

raystein 03-11-2019 04:33 AM

Learn your bottom machine and find some other spots besides those public numbers.

mdees88 03-11-2019 04:58 AM

If you want a high quality, highly versitile, budget friendly reel get a Shimano TLD 15. It works great for trolling lures, slow trolling live baits, free lining live baits/chunks, and it works surprisingly well for bottom fishing too. The fact that its a lever drag means you can preset your drag with a scale based on the size leader you are using, and you never have to worry about breaking off a fish because you used to much drag. Spool it with 300yds 50lb braid FG knot to a 40lb mono topshot. They dont break the bank but you can always find used ones for sale on ebay or in the classifieds here.

If your dead set on a spinning reel I highly recommend getting a Diawa BG. Read Alan Hawks review of them and you'll be impressed. A BG 5000 is a decent size reel that's not too big and would do well with 300yds of 50lb braid. It could double duty as a bottom reel but it would shine at casting lures, jigging, and free lining live baits/chunks.

To be perfectly honest you really need both these reels. You always want an extra spinner on the boat so you can quickly and easily pitch a bait to a passerby cobia or dolphin. Conventionals are better for bottom fishing (more mechanical advantage) and trolling (easier to pay out line).

Ugly Stik rods for both....

WillyC27 03-11-2019 05:08 AM

Neuse Sport Shop | Products

these guys have some decent combo deals, I bought the TLD15 with rod, line and free shipping.

MattJimm 03-11-2019 06:48 AM

Penn squall combo. Star drag with level wind $180. Good reel and decent rod. When the rod breaks, trash it and buy a better rod for the reel.

Twin Vee 26 03-11-2019 07:02 AM

TLD combo is tuff to beat!

Twin Vee 26 03-11-2019 07:04 AM

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chrisguga 03-11-2019 09:44 AM

thanks for all the great advice. Im back and forth between conventional and spinning rods, but think Im leaning towards a spinning combo due to the versatility. I dont actually know what type of fishing well end up doing and enjoying the most just yet and I can fine tune my specific gear once I have that figured out.

i definitely plan to get out there and find my own numbers, but I also considered buying the big bend chart from Strikelines to give myself a better shot at decent fish than just the public numbers. Do you guys recommend this?

Bgoodman4 03-11-2019 01:53 PM


Originally Posted by WillyC27 (Post 12322775)
Neuse Sport Shop | Products

these guys have some decent combo deals, I bought the TLD15 with rod, line and free shipping.

How are their rods?

danielrogers 03-11-2019 05:53 PM

My favorite all around reels are the Penn 500 (Jigmaster). They hold a ton of line, cast a mile, and have very quick retrieve speeds. Best of all, you can get them for 30 dollars on ebay. If they go bad, scrap what you can for parts (i.e. the spool and expensive line) and get another one. You will probably pay more to put line on the reel than you will for the reel. Penn 4/0 (113) is another great option, although they are slightly more expensive. As for rods, I like a long, flexible kingfish rod for trolling and you cant beat an ugly stick for bottom fishing. You should be out the door, with line and leader, for around 125-150 per combo. Remember that it might cost you 50-75 dollars to put line on a reel, and that braid is worth it for bottom fishing. For trolling I use mono on my reels almost exclusively.

flatsfactory 03-12-2019 12:01 PM

The old penns like the 7500/8500 are great for what you're talking about, and frankly the new waterproof spinfishers are likely decent. I've had luck with the older penns and Quantum Cabo's. Have to agree with everyone about the TLD combo's. There is a reason that they routinely sell for 80% of new wihen freshly spooled. The reels will go for 20-30yrs, the graphite helps them be light enough for bottom use, and they troll as well

barrell 03-13-2019 09:46 AM

https://www.saltstrong.com/articles/...8a0b8cac0e9c09

chrisguga 03-13-2019 04:57 PM

I ended up buying a Daiwa 6500 and 66 Ugly Stik Tiger Elite 50-100. They just arrived today and the reel seems super smooth and solid. Ill try them out this weekend. I think this will be a nice do-all combo for now.

thanks for the advice!

highflier1 03-13-2019 07:19 PM

I was about to suggest that exact combo. That should do you very well for most fish. I spooled mine with 50LB braid, then about 30' of Mono on top for a leader. I change the leader depending on the needs and condition. I am sure from time to time you will find that big guy that you will be under gunned. But with that setup, you can put a lot of drag on them. and have plenty of line, which should give you plenty of time to get the boat moving and follow the fish.

Highflier

chrisguga 03-13-2019 08:44 PM

Thanks, Ill be glad when Im a good enough fisherman that Im outgunned with this combo! lol

StrikeLines 03-22-2019 10:55 AM


Originally Posted by chrisguga (Post 12323785)
thanks for all the great advice. Im back and forth between conventional and spinning rods, but think Im leaning towards a spinning combo due to the versatility. I dont actually know what type of fishing well end up doing and enjoying the most just yet and I can fine tune my specific gear once I have that figured out.

i definitely plan to get out there and find my own numbers, but I also considered buying the big bend chart from Strikelines to give myself a better shot at decent fish than just the public numbers. Do you guys recommend this?

Hi chrisguga, let us know if you have any questions or if there is anything we can do to help! Attached is a screenshot of someone commenting on our FB page two days ago about the Big Bend chart you mentioned.
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.the...877768fc59.jpg

WillyC27 03-27-2019 09:33 AM


Originally Posted by Bgoodman4 (Post 12324629)
How are their rods?

Its pretty good for a freebie........the rod, line and shipping was free so I figured the rod and line could be replaced if they crap out, but so far so good.


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