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Old 03-11-2019, 05:05 PM
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Originally Posted by John_Madison CT View Post
That must have been the "Midnight Rambler" Sword. Incredible such a fish was that close to shore.
yes it was. I'm 47yrs old but I remember the stick boats heavy south of Montauk in the 80s crushing it in 180ft of water. Very interesting species so to see some of the tagging info is very enlightening.
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Old 03-11-2019, 05:44 PM
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Originally Posted by wojtek View Post
I also saw a sword basking on the surface off Cali coast. In a complete daze, was not interested in any offering, including live sardines. Oh well.
While I was trying to show typical patterns in this thread, you gave me a flashback so why not indulge.

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Old 03-11-2019, 06:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Texasblue View Post
While I was trying to show typical patterns in this thread, you gave me a flashback so why not indulge.

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That's a cool video , Tony has one helluva fishing program , and a pretty cool guy as well . Lives to fish .
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Old 03-11-2019, 06:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Texasblue View Post
While I was trying to show typical patterns in this thread, you gave me a flashback so why not indulge.

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Very cool. We tried throwing everything including kitchen sink but were ignored.

Was the guy in the video (you?) spooled? It looked like the fish took a lot of line.
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Old 03-12-2019, 03:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Texasblue View Post
While I was trying to show typical patterns in this thread, you gave me a flashback so why not indulge.

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How big is that boat?
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Old 03-15-2019, 05:09 PM
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It is interesting that, even in the open ocean with the bottom waaaaaay down there, they still dive to approximately the same depths. This makes me wonder if I could daytime them at 1600 feet in say ... 3000 feet of water? The reason I ask is that I know some are being caught at night in my area but they are in real deep water. The gulf stream needs to move in a little more to be over my normal daytime spots that I found last year during the summer.
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Old 03-15-2019, 05:34 PM
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It is interesting that, even in the open ocean with the bottom waaaaaay down there, they still dive to approximately the same depths. This makes me wonder if I could daytime them at 1600 feet in say ... 3000 feet of water? The reason I ask is that I know some are being caught at night in my area but they are in real deep water. The gulf stream needs to move in a little more to be over my normal daytime spots that I found last year during the summer.
The dive to the sound scattering or deep scattering layer depending on how long you have been chasing swords. In other studies you can see that in late fall in the northern latitudes the daily dive and scattering layer moves up to about 400meters. This would correlate with the changing angle of the sun and penetration of the UV light. Mid June close to the solstice it showed the deepest averages for the year on New England and Grand Banks fish. Pretty neat stuff for sure
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Old 03-16-2019, 11:25 PM
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Originally Posted by John_Madison CT View Post

Of course the Swordfishing boats from yesteryear harpooned them during the daytime.
Still a thing on the Pilikia in california. @airpilika on instagram has some truly amazing shots from his plane. He is a spotter pilot for bloody decks, pilikia, and probably others.
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Old 03-17-2019, 04:47 AM
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Originally Posted by ubettcha13 View Post
The dive to the sound scattering or deep scattering layer depending on how long you have been chasing swords. In other studies you can see that in late fall in the northern latitudes the daily dive and scattering layer moves up to about 400meters. This would correlate with the changing angle of the sun and penetration of the UV light. Mid June close to the solstice it showed the deepest averages for the year on New England and Grand Banks fish. Pretty neat stuff for sure
I am assuming that their food must be at that depth(?), regardless of whether or not the ocean bottom is near, or thousands of feet below. I have seen these dive graphs before, but never considered what it means when they are out in the super deep. I just did a little googling on the mesopelagic zone and the diurnal vertical migration, and it looks like it all has more to do with light penetration, than the ocean bottom being near. Cool stuff! Thanks.
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Old 03-17-2019, 09:46 AM
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Still a thing on the Pilikia in california. @airpilika on instagram has some truly amazing shots from his plane. He is a spotter pilot for bloody decks, pilikia, and probably others.
The swords over there are up top due to the lower oxygen content in the Pacific , and will usually take a bait . The ones up top in the Atlantic are usually lethargic from gorging on squid etc . I have tried a few times to feed them , but don't really bother anymore , I will troll by them just in case though .
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Old 03-17-2019, 10:17 AM
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The swords over there are up top due to the lower oxygen content in the Pacific , and will usually take a bait . The ones up top in the Atlantic are usually lethargic from gorging on squid etc . I have tried a few times to feed them , but don't really bother anymore , I will troll by them just in case though .
Have caught three swords on the troll in the northeast. Same canyon same lure same lure location and it's not even the canyon I fish the most.
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Old 03-17-2019, 10:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Capt. Fred View Post
It is interesting that, even in the open ocean with the bottom waaaaaay down there, they still dive to approximately the same depths. This makes me wonder if I could daytime them at 1600 feet in say ... 3000 feet of water? The reason I ask is that I know some are being caught at night in my area but they are in real deep water. The gulf stream needs to move in a little more to be over my normal daytime spots that I found last year during the summer.
Just for reference, the guys in FL (rj boyle crew) have been experimenting with a buoy rod set at less than 1000 feet in addition to the bottom rod. They claim to get enough hits on the buoy rod to keep using it. Not advocating it. Just noting it.
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Originally Posted by pje View Post
The swords over there are up top due to the lower oxygen content in the Pacific , and will usually take a bait . The ones up top in the Atlantic are usually lethargic from gorging on squid etc . I have tried a few times to feed them , but don't really bother anymore , I will troll by them just in case though .
there are plenty of opportunities for deep dropping on swords during the day 20 miles offshore in California. There is a quite busy commercial and less busy private boating fishery for it.
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Old 03-17-2019, 04:39 PM
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Originally Posted by DotRotten View Post
Have caught three swords on the troll in the northeast. Same canyon same lure same lure location and it's not even the canyon I fish the most.
Were they sunning before you caught them ? Or blind trolling ?
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Were they sunning before you caught them ? Or blind trolling ?
blind bites. Two at night while still trolling for a bigeye bight the other about two hours before sunset. Agreed with your post about them up on the surface sunning themselves
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Old 03-17-2019, 04:56 PM
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Just for reference, the guys in FL (rj boyle crew) have been experimenting with a buoy rod set at less than 1000 feet in addition to the bottom rod. They claim to get enough hits on the buoy rod to keep using it. Not advocating it. Just noting it.

This past winter we fished in South Florida, off Fort Lauderdale and caught our Sword on the "jug" rod. It's set shallower and it basically a "set and forget" bait. For longer drifts, it's a good idea to get out. It's fished about 300' behind the boat.
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Originally Posted by feesh_stix View Post
there are plenty of opportunities for deep dropping on swords during the day 20 miles offshore in California. There is a quite busy commercial and less busy private boating fishery for it.
I was talking about the oxygen minimum layer in the Pacific , which keeps them suspended higher in the water column during the day . Which usually starts around 600 ft or so in the Pacific compared to around 1800ft in the Atlantic . Below the OML in the Pacific can be hypoxic in a lot of places , whereas below the Atlantic OML there is still a diminished percentage of oxygen . My numbers might be a little off , it's been a couple years since I read up on all of this
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The biggest take away from that chart for me is 1,600 feet+ or bust.
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Old 03-17-2019, 06:09 PM
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There was a mention of where they feed somewhere in this thread. I am a believer they feed everywhere. They are trash cans and will eat anything, squid, mullet, flounder, all types of bait fish, etc. I mention these specifically because I have found all these in their bellies. I used to see a friend rig and re-rig sword baits and he always said they have to be absolutely perfect. I disagreed then and absolutely disagree now. Have you ever seen a sword boat slap a bait on a hook? No precision there. The key is simply to keep the bait on the hook. Do that and you will catch em.
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Old 03-18-2019, 10:31 AM
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you guys are getting me all excited all this talk about swords I’m definitely going sword fishing this season
spent allot of time last year trolling on the edges all the way to west wall great results however I’m gonna try bottomless fishing this year
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