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Old 02-11-2019, 10:20 AM
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Originally Posted by ptag View Post
Your title is causing confusion about what you are trying to learn about. "Trolling spoons directly on down rigger" N2 and Iron have indicated to you that this means one uses the downrigger as the fishing tackle, meaning your planer and drone spoon are connected directly to the down rigger, and reeling in the downrigger is reeling in the fish. Commercial fishing we have caught hundreds of kingfish in one day using this technique, for those that say it is no fun, havent had the pleasure of slinging a 1000+ pounds of kingfish into the boat. Based on your drawing, I believe what you are really interested in learning about is how to fish a drone spoon from recreational rod and reel and use a downrigger to aid in fishing the spoon at depth? Perhaps if you change your title, then you wont be getting conflicting information about two different ways to fish for king mackerel, one of which does not include a recreational rod and reel.
Thank you for the feedback it is appreciated, I will choose the titles more carefully next time.

To be honest I learnt a TON off this thread from all the replies conflicting or not, and I hope others have benefitted as well. Up until your post I wasn't exactly sure how the other members are using the planer on the downrigger, as for some reason I kept picturing the release clip on one end of the planner which left me baffled.. So thank you as well for the clarification as it all makes sense to me now "reeling in the downrigger is reeling in the fish".

Edit: Updated the title, I hope it is clearer for everyone.
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Old 02-11-2019, 10:41 AM
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Originally Posted by ptag View Post
Your title is causing confusion about what you are trying to learn about. "Trolling spoons directly on down rigger" N2 and Iron have indicated to you that this means one uses the downrigger as the fishing tackle, meaning your planer and drone spoon are connected directly to the down rigger, and reeling in the downrigger is reeling in the fish. Commercial fishing we have caught hundreds of kingfish in one day using this technique, for those that say it is no fun, havent had the pleasure of slinging a 1000+ pounds of kingfish into the boat. Based on your drawing, I believe what you are really interested in learning about is how to fish a drone spoon from recreational rod and reel and use a downrigger to aid in fishing the spoon at depth? Perhaps if you change your title, then you wont be getting conflicting information about two different ways to fish for king mackerel, one of which does not include a recreational rod and reel.
Oh yeah catching that many fish is fun as hell, but there's nothing sporting to it. And rec fishing here in the States with a 3 per person limit, you can end your day pretty quick lol. I'm assuming the OP is somewhere else with more liberal limits.
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Old 02-11-2019, 10:48 AM
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Originally Posted by DocStressor View Post
I've tried using planers of different sizes in place of downrigger balls without good results. While the larger planers probably run deeper than a downrigger weight, the problem is that most of the available sportfishing downriggers are too light duty. Try tripping a big planner run in place a weight on a downrigger to get it to plane to the surface. Then you'll see what I mean. I've even used Scottys which you can lift by hand and it's still really hard to get the planer to trip. The setup works OK if your fishing small planners for Spanish, but you can't use big lures or get very deep. If you can't trip a big planer, you are going to need to stop the boat in order to get it up. The light duty motors on a Cannon 10 won't hold up very long doing that kind of work. The best way to use a big planner is to use a heavy rod or tie it off on a cleat and hand line.

You can use swivels anywhere in your setup. I have a buddy who uses that narrow Spro swivels between his wire and the mono leader. But you don't want to use something like a snap swivel on the lure. Anything but a haywire or mono loop will affect the action. BTW, does 120 lb test mono hold up to a big kingfish without using wire?
If you use Old Salty planers they will trip. I'm not good at it, but with practice it can be done.
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Old 02-11-2019, 11:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Tareq View Post
Thank you for the feedback it is appreciated, I will choose the titles more carefully next time.

To be honest I learnt a TON off this thread from all the replies conflicting or not, and I hope others have benefitted as well. Up until your post I wasn't exactly sure how the other members are using the planer on the downrigger, as for some reason I kept picturing the release clip on one end of the planner which left me baffled.. So thank you as well for the clarification as it all makes sense to me now "reeling in the downrigger is reeling in the fish".

Edit: Updated the title, I hope it is clearer for everyone.
No problem, glad I could help. Even if you are not commercial fishing, fishing directly from you downrigger can be a good way to locate hungry fish. Once you find them, you can switch gears to your rod and reel.

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Old 02-11-2019, 12:51 PM
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I have fished umpteen thousand times with downriggers (how I make a living actually)

cannon's downrigger releases suck, get Scotty's, set the line in there as tight as you can without ripping hook out of a fishes mouth, this helps with the hook set

20 feet behind the ball is plenty (My rods are 9.5 ft, I let out two rod lengths)

learn to stack, I use longline clips snapped straight to the dr cable

is your boat aluminum or fiberglass?

use 12 lb balls, not planers or lighter weight balls

get some real downrigger rods, it makes a difference - the rods should be completely doubled over when fishing, this helps get the slack out when the line comes out of the dr clip

for king macks if you can get some bigger hardtails and slow troll them on your dr you will catch more fish

if you just want to meat fish, buy a snubber and let it fish of the dr ball itself and stack your rod/reel baits off the cable (this isn't legal where I fish but may be where you are)

let me know if you have any questions

we ain't building the space shuttle here lol
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Old 02-11-2019, 01:07 PM
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Originally Posted by rbhankins001 View Post
I have fished umpteen thousand times with downriggers (how I make a living actually)

cannon's downrigger releases suck, get Scotty's, set the line in there as tight as you can without ripping hook out of a fishes mouth, this helps with the hook set

20 feet behind the ball is plenty (My rods are 9.5 ft, I let out two rod lengths)

learn to stack, I use longline clips snapped straight to the dr cable

is your boat aluminum or fiberglass?

use 12 lb balls, not planers or lighter weight balls

get some real downrigger rods, it makes a difference - the rods should be completely doubled over when fishing, this helps get the slack out when the line comes out of the dr clip

for king macks if you can get some bigger hardtails and slow troll them on your dr you will catch more fish

if you just want to meat fish, buy a snubber and let it fish of the dr ball itself and stack your rod/reel baits off the cable (this isn't legal where I fish but may be where you are)

let me know if you have any questions

we ain't building the space shuttle here lol
^^^^^^
Exactly how we've done it since Big Jon first produced a 'rigger.
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Old 02-11-2019, 01:11 PM
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Originally Posted by rbhankins001 View Post
I have fished umpteen thousand times with downriggers (how I make a living actually)

cannon's downrigger releases suck, get Scotty's, set the line in there as tight as you can without ripping hook out of a fishes mouth, this helps with the hook set

20 feet behind the ball is plenty (My rods are 9.5 ft, I let out two rod lengths)

learn to stack, I use longline clips snapped straight to the dr cable

is your boat aluminum or fiberglass?

use 12 lb balls, not planers or lighter weight balls

get some real downrigger rods, it makes a difference - the rods should be completely doubled over when fishing, this helps get the slack out when the line comes out of the dr clip

for king macks if you can get some bigger hardtails and slow troll them on your dr you will catch more fish

if you just want to meat fish, buy a snubber and let it fish of the dr ball itself and stack your rod/reel baits off the cable (this isn't legal where I fish but may be where you are)

let me know if you have any questions

we ain't building the space shuttle here lol
Yep that's the way we did it for salmon when I was in Alaska

#1 and #2 drone spoons at 6-8 knots is a bit different lol.

Agreed on live baits at idle speed being the way to go for bigger fish.
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Old 02-11-2019, 01:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Tareq View Post
Hello Popeyeii,

Thanks for the post, my target species is King Mackerel. Thanks for the clarification about spinning and fluttering, I should have said spoon movement my bad.

So do you think my set up would work for trolling spoons on downriggers if the spoon is say 100ft behind boat and the downriggers weight at 60-80ft depth?
Yes, you are spot-on with your approach on this. 100' would be more than enough... I do 30-50 and only stretch it out if they seem finicky.
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Old 02-11-2019, 01:16 PM
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Catching kings direct on a downrigger is a novel idea, however, depending on state rules, it may be unlawful for a rec angler as most game fish can only be caught via rod and reel.

Also, the Chamberlains are the ultimate release clips.
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I’ve had a downrigger clip not release and ended up pulling the fish up on an electric downrigger. Wasn’t intentional but it was somewhat amusing, felt like we were playing commercial fishing boat.....

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Old 02-12-2019, 05:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Tareq View Post
Oh my the wire hum is very annoying! I read about it before actually running the downriggers but when I heard it I was so amused at how loud it is. I did order scotty downrigger braid, but wanted to try the steel cable that came with the riggers before changing them out so I have something to compare to. Part of my learning curve I guess.

I also tried to compensate for the cable running angle, I was seeing around 30-40 degree angles.

With the X-Rap are you running a snap swivel from rod leader to lure? Or line Direct to lure?
I run about 20 ft of mono, 60-80lb dependant on where I am fishing, on the 60-80lb braid mainline. Haywire twist on lure to short trace and small black swivel. No Clip.

I find the actual running depth due to blowback becomes the law of diminishing returns. More line you let out, greater the drag, more the blowback. As an example, here is some Pythagoras's theorem
Acording to my geometry phone app, if I have 40 metres (131 ft) of downrigger line out, 45 degrees of angle should see the ball at a theoretical 28 metres 92 ft. this does not include any curve in the line. If the angle is 30 degrees off parallel with the surface, the ball is only 20 m (66Ft) down
so 131ft out, 45 degees = 92ft deep ball
131 ft out, 30 degrees = 66ft deep ball

Have less downrigger line out, less blowback. 25metres (82ft) out, runs at 50 degrees , should see the ball 19 metres ( 62 ft) down.. So not really very much gain for letting an extra 50 ft of downrigger line out if you are blowing right out, if all those estimated angles are ballpark. As was said above, you probably don't need to go too deep for your King Mackerel, if they act like our Spanish.
I tried specifically for Spanish one day, around 70-85 ft of water, dropped the bomb down 30 ft, put an X-Rap 20 on, and trolled faster than usual, maybe 5 knots. Immediate hit--a Rankins Cod, Grouper family type fish, prize target. Ran it out again, same result. Then a big barracuda, more like I expected. Then a sailfish, which eventually threw the trebles near the boat. You just never know whats going to hit next some days.
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I run about 20 ft of mono, 60-80lb dependant on where I am fishing, on the 60-80lb braid mainline. Haywire twist on lure to short trace and small black swivel. No Clip.

I find the actual running depth due to blowback becomes the law of diminishing returns. More line you let out, greater the drag, more the blowback. As an example, here is some Pythagoras's theorem
Acording to my geometry phone app, if I have 40 metres (131 ft) of downrigger line out, 45 degrees of angle should see the ball at a theoretical 28 metres 92 ft. this does not include any curve in the line. If the angle is 30 degrees off parallel with the surface, the ball is only 20 m (66Ft) down
so 131ft out, 45 degees = 92ft deep ball
131 ft out, 30 degrees = 66ft deep ball

Have less downrigger line out, less blowback. 25metres (82ft) out, runs at 50 degrees , should see the ball 19 metres ( 62 ft) down.. So not really very much gain for letting an extra 50 ft of downrigger line out if you are blowing right out, if all those estimated angles are ballpark. As was said above, you probably don't need to go too deep for your King Mackerel, if they act like our Spanish.
I tried specifically for Spanish one day, around 70-85 ft of water, dropped the bomb down 30 ft, put an X-Rap 20 on, and trolled faster than usual, maybe 5 knots. Immediate hit--a Rankins Cod, Grouper family type fish, prize target. Ran it out again, same result. Then a big barracuda, more like I expected. Then a sailfish, which eventually threw the trebles near the boat. You just never know whats going to hit next some days.
I think you over calculated.

I think 131 ft of line at a 30 degree angle puts you 113 or so ft about 62 ft behind the boat.

At 60 degree angle 62 ft deep is more correct.

The triangle has to calculated based on horizontal plane behind boat.

I have never went fast enough to have a 60 degree angle on the ball line, so I can't say much on that.

Cannon has a chart somewhere.
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Originally Posted by rbhankins001 View Post

use 12 lb balls, not planers or lighter weight balls
Do you use the cannon ball style or the pancake style weights?
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I welcome opinions on pulling torpedo weights . Scenario; rod and reel with 80 lb braid, swivel with 100 lb shocker mono (10ft), to 3 or 4 lb. torpedo, swivel to 100lbs. mono 20 ft looped to spoon. Works on kings and wahoo.
Yes, there is risk of fish attacking torpedo. Welcome all comments. Capt. Billy/Right Stuff
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I welcome opinions on pulling torpedo weights . Scenario; rod and reel with 80 lb braid, swivel with 100 lb shocker mono (10ft), to 3 or 4 lb. torpedo, swivel to 100lbs. mono 20 ft looped to spoon. Works on kings and wahoo.
Yes, there is risk of fish attacking torpedo. Welcome all comments. Capt. Billy/Right Stuff
Don't know what comments to make other than it works really well, add cable to the ends of your trolling weights for the toothy critters. Won't get as deep as a planer, but is very effective.
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