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Old 12-16-2018, 08:24 AM
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Ok, i fish out of Ft. Pierce on my 41' Tiara Open. We usually run 6 or 7 lines and catch the usual Mahi, Wahoo, King mix. Occasionally a sail and even a 250lb marlin once. Right now I have Penn Intl. 30's in both the regular and wide spools with 30lb mono on them. They work great and look pretty but, are a little heavy and clunky for some of my crew (kids and grandkids). My regular crew are all seasoned offshore fanatics and handle them well. They even help coach the newbies and kids when they are fighting a fish.

I have been toying with selling the large heavy International's but can't make a decision on what to go down to. I want something that will still handle the larger fish and experienced crew but lighter for the non experienced people. I like Penn and have a ton of their stuff. It holds up well with no problems, my internationals are over 20 years old and I have a couple of spinning reels that are close to 30 that still work perfectly. I keep them all serviced professionally and take care of them in between.

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Old 12-16-2018, 10:05 AM
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Shimano Talica 20s
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Old 12-16-2018, 10:34 AM
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I have Tiagra 50 wides and considering adding a few Talica 25.
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Old 12-16-2018, 11:21 AM
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Originally Posted by ReelDreams1 View Post
Ok, i fish out of Ft. Pierce on my 41' Tiara Open. We usually run 6 or 7 lines and catch the usual Mahi, Wahoo, King mix. Occasionally a sail and even a 250lb marlin once. Right now I have Penn Intl. 30's in both the regular and wide spools with 30lb mono on them. They work great and look pretty but, are a little heavy and clunky for some of my crew (kids and grandkids). My regular crew are all seasoned offshore fanatics and handle them well. They even help coach the newbies and kids when they are fighting a fish.

I have been toying with selling the large heavy International's but can't make a decision on what to go down to. I want something that will still handle the larger fish and experienced crew but lighter for the non experienced people. I like Penn and have a ton of their stuff. It holds up well with no problems, my internationals are over 20 years old and I have a couple of spinning reels that are close to 30 that still work perfectly. I keep them all serviced professionally and take care of them in between.

Any suggestions or experience is appreciated.
Here are some viable options:

Penn 16 VISX at 36 ounces 45# max drag and 550yds 30# mono

Avet HXW Raptors at 32 ounces 50# max drag and near 800yds 30# mono

Shimano Talica 25 at 33 ounces 45# max drag and 700yds 30# mono

Accurate BV 1000 at 29 ounces 40# max drag and near 1000yds 30# mono

All have good and bad points and I strongly considered all and am fishing the Avet HXW Raptors.

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Old 12-16-2018, 04:32 PM
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If you are considering using Braid, you can drop down to the 16 VI and actually gain capacity. You may even be able to drop down to the 12 VI and get some lighter rods with SIC guides instead of rollers. My "regular" trolling reels are 12V. I have a set of 16s that are seeing little use these days and 50W wides for high speed wahoo.
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Swellhunter,

What rods did you pair them with, I am currently thinking of going to the HXW's also?

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another vote for avets. go look at them in the store feel what size frame you want and then go with the g2 or the raptor depending on your budget
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Old 12-16-2018, 09:06 PM
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Just bought tali as myself to replace told 25s. Better reels and smaller frame but lots more drag
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Old 12-17-2018, 12:45 AM
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Okuma makaira 20 sea special editions...not the okuma younrenebber 20 years ago. I’ve sold my penn and 30 and 50 TW’s and moved to mskaira 30’s and they are awesome. They have some lighter models than 20 also and drags are a smoother and stronger than penn. pack w hollow braid and a trolllin top shot of mono. Incredible .
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I replaced all of my personal 30w's with Talica 25s. So much smoother and more enjoyable to use for pretty much everything you can encounter in south Florida and in the Bahamas and can still handle good sized blues and tuna with ease.

Tyrnos 30 are another great option. nice and light and can handle it.
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Penn Torque 40 or, Shimano Talica 20/25, Avet Raptor HX/HXW will be the three lightest weight and most capable reels. A bit heavier, but still way lighter than what you are currently using, would be the Penn 12visx and 16visx and the Okuma Makaira 16. The visx and Makaira can have higher sustained drag capabilities and more cranking power in low gear. All are great reels. Go and take a look at them and see how they feel to you. Each is a bit different.

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I picked up 4 Penn Fathom 60LD's to use as 30's. The are similiar in size to the AVET HXW, with slightly better drag than the non raptors.
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As was mentioned, Shimano TLD 25's at the very minimum, but I would highly recommend the Shimano TLD 30's. Inexpensive, easy to take care of, and will handle all of the fish you mentioned including a small Blue Marlin. I am also an old school Penn guy, but we switched years ago to the TLD 25's at first, then moved to the TLD 30's for that occasional Blue. Now the "gold" only comes out a couple times a season if we are on an overnight trip, or targeting Bigeye's or Swords. Save your money and invest in a set of these which are more than capable and the grandkids don't need arms like Popeye to handle, (and you don't have to be nervous how they handle them due to the finish on the reel).

In addition, now that we've moved up to the Shimano Talica 20BFC's when we target white marlin late in the season, the TLD 30's still come along as back-up, (and some of my crew still actually prefer the TLD's).
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Shimano Tiagra 16 is a pocket size beast as well.
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20lb class set ups are all you need. TLD 15 or TLD 20's are great and hold plenty of mono. You can also load them with braid, but no reason too. TLD 25 are great, but you really do not need the line capacity.

Avet MXL or LX are also great, but more $$$.

Keep you heavier international stuff for trolling with planners or high speed trolling where you leave the rod in the rod holder. we have a few Penn international 50's that work as wahoo reels, deep drop and swordfish set ups.
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Swellhunter,

What rods did you pair them with, I am currently thinking of going to the HXW's also?

Thanks,
Tom
Hey Tom,

I am doing what most would call “unconventional” and pulling 350g Black Hole Cape Cod Specials. Yes that is correct I troll for tuna with jigging rods. So you probably don’t want to listen to me unless you know exactly what you want. My game these days is go as freestyle as possible. No belts or harnesses unless absolutely necessary - just Cush-Its

Know a bunch of good dudes pulling these class of super light high capacity reels on Calstar mini-boomer 40-100s. Pretty much the cats meow IMO if you want to build up rods with rollers and aluminum butts.

I just love fighting tuna on jig blanks.

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The rods are All Penn 6' stand up rods. I think 20-50 lb class with fugi guides. No rollers. I was thinking new reels and rods to match. Then keeping the internationals for any heavier use.
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Hey Tom,

I am doing what most would call “unconventional” and pulling 350g Black Hole Cape Cod Specials. Yes that is correct I troll for tuna with jigging rods. So you probably don’t want to listen to me unless you know exactly what you want. My game these days is go as freestyle as possible. No belts or harnesses unless absolutely necessary - just Cush-Its

Know a bunch of good dudes pulling these class of super light high capacity reels on Calstar mini-boomer 40-100s. Pretty much the cats meow IMO if you want to build up rods with rollers and aluminum butts.

I just love fighting tuna on jig blanks.

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That’s interesting. I fish with my brother down in Florida say ten times a year. I live almost 1000 miles away, so, I keep an extensive collection of rods and reels at his place. And he has been running my two 350 gram Black Hole Cape Cod custom jigging rigs in his trolling spread. He got a nice wahoo on one during his last trip in the stream.
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That’s interesting. I fish with my brother down in Florida say ten times a year. I live almost 1000 miles away, so, I keep an extensive collection of rods and reels at his place. And he has been running my two 350 gram Black Hole Cape Cod custom jigging rigs in his trolling spread. He got a nice wahoo on one during his last trip in the stream.
Cool man - love to hear it. I don't have much experience with wahoo. Up here in the NE more guys than you realize pull jig blanks but they are not on forums.

The downside - as you are likely aware of since you personally own a few - is that I have seen less experienced anglers (good fishermen just not with jig blanks) struggle with them. But it's still not as painful to watch as a guy with a heavy 50 class rig in a belt.

I am starting a charter business this coming year and have some concerns about potential clients being out matched on the gear but as long as they have a willingness to learn they will soon whip a 60# yellowfin in no time with no belt or harness.

The other downside (which is bound to happen) when a 85" bluefin decides to have a go or a 220# bigeye. My defense against this when these fish "may" be around is to preset at 28# and hopefully slow the fish enough to clear lines then fight them off the bow and hunt 'em down. I have 700yds on the Avets. Honestly one of the main turning points for me was a bud that had a 80+" bluefin eat a Talica 25 this year about a mile from us. They stopped the fish with about 10 turns of the spool left and ended up landing it in 45 minutes on a stock Shimano Terez rod. They didn't have their preset as high and maybe were only able to put 25# on it on the pins.

The other big dilemma was 350g or 450g but guys are catching big pacific yellowfins on the 150 and 250. So 95% of my fish are 100# or less and that was the choice.
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They aren't going to stay little forever, keep the 30's and get some Penn Fathoms. No lack of a thrust bearing issue that you have with the Avets and if the reel was to take a dive to the bottom, no big deal.
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