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Braided end loops instead of bimini

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Old 12-03-2018, 07:18 AM
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Default Braided end loops instead of bimini

Would an end to end loop connection with both loops made of braid work? Or would it cause excessive abrasion?
I cant see that anyone is doing it. The bimini to braided loop seems to be the standard.
We are talking about offshore tackle 60-130lb.

It would make it go even smoother thru the guides than a bimini.

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I have all 80 lb braid on a Hooker Electric 80W. When I attach a windon to it, I make a Bimini with the braid and Cats paw it to the wind-on without issues. We have def put it to the test with swords and wahoo and have never broken it off.
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Old 12-03-2018, 08:58 AM
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I do it and never have a problem
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I dont think that the question, hes asking about braid to braid, imo you would never be able to get a braid to braid, loop apart without cutting it off, so i would just use a uni to uni , unless im reading this wrong,
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Old 12-03-2018, 09:45 AM
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A splice with hollowcore would be the smoothest, but I realize the difficulty to replace the leader at sea if one have to.

I’m looking for the smoothest connection possible, prefferably without double line as with a bimini.
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You’ve got the answer. The smoothest, smallest, and strongest will be utilizing hollow core for a splice. Other options are a knot like the FG. I use them with great success on all my jigging rods. I don’t mind the double line loop but the Bimini just wasn’t as strong as I wanted so I now make my loops with a hollow core splice. The increase in strength is notable but not easy to tie on the run.
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Old 12-03-2018, 11:24 AM
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A loop-to-loop connection with braid is a very common and popular connection. All my casting and jigging setups are wind-ons from BHP Tackle. Separating is easy as well. Pull on one leg to unroll the cats paw and pull the loops apart. A tight connection after having caught a big fish is more troublesome, but a hook point to spread the loops will get it started and then proceed as normal.
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I'm not sure I get what you're asking

Braid to braid, and then what?
Any mono top shot?
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I'm not sure I get what you're asking

Braid to braid, and then what?
Any mono top shot?

mono to fluoro leader via spliced hollow core end loops on both the mono and fluoro
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That would work fine.
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Old 12-03-2018, 12:36 PM
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What you are describing people do a lot with pre-made mono wind-ons. Spliced loop to spliced loop...if I am understanding correctly. Perfectly fine and used quite a lot.
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Originally Posted by HookMeUpII View Post
What you are describing people do a lot with pre-made mono wind-ons. Spliced loop to spliced loop...if I am understanding correctly. Perfectly fine and used quite a lot.

Yep, pretty much any pre made wind on or topshot you get form somebody like Basil at BHP will have the spliced loop on the end for connecting via loop to loop.
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You can tie a bimini when it is rough infinitely easier than making a loop using hollowcore and needles. It also passes through guides just fine, would be a negligible amount smoother.
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Originally Posted by aquaholic23 View Post
I dont think that the question, hes asking about braid to braid, imo you would never be able to get a braid to braid, loop apart without cutting it off, so i would just use a uni to uni , unless im reading this wrong,
We both answered his question. He didn't say anything about taking it apart. We both commented on braid to braid connections which I do in an emergency and it always works fine and then I cut it all off and start over when I get back. I always initially run flouro into hollow core but he didn't ask that.
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Originally Posted by Locke N Load View Post
A loop-to-loop connection with braid is a very common and popular connection. All my casting and jigging setups are wind-ons from BHP Tackle. Separating is easy as well. Pull on one leg to unroll the cats paw and pull the loops apart. A tight connection after having caught a big fish is more troublesome, but a hook point to spread the loops will get it started and then proceed as normal.

Yep, hook point or bridle needle will get them apart pretty easily
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If you're merely asking how to splice braided line, then yes, you can bridle two Bimini twists together. If you test it to failure, you'll find that one of the Biminis will break before the bridled loops, so I wouldn't worry about friction. Another way to splice braid is to take a short section of mono and tie abutting FG knots or PR knots with each piece of braid. That connection will be a lot stiffer than the two Biminis.
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Originally Posted by aquaholic23 View Post
I dont think that the question, hes asking about braid to braid, imo you would never be able to get a braid to braid, loop apart without cutting it off, so i would just use a uni to uni , unless im reading this wrong,
Long range guys on the west coast do braid to braid all the time to attach the topshot, they come apart ok when you need to change the topshot.
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Let me give this a shot.

First, We don't use "other loops", spider hitch etc. for loop to loop. Not confident in that application of the knot/loops as first choice.

General answer is yes it's ok and yes done often and smooth through guides.

Echoing others: Most common loop to loop for us is solid braid main line bimini joined to wind-on loop of which is "braid" (hollow core) by loop to loop connection. Take apart if need be? Yes.

Another example is losing ton of braid on sword rod. We make a a bimini. We tie a bimini on the braid we are adding (to make a full spool again). Those 2 biminis are joined by double uni. Because others mentioned: Take apart? No.

The above said, we skip the bimini's on lighter equipment when joining braid to braid and do double unis. Because others mentioned: Take apart? No.



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Originally Posted by aquaholic23 View Post
I dont think that the question, hes asking about braid to braid, imo you would never be able to get a braid to braid, loop apart without cutting it off, so i would just use a uni to uni , unless im reading this wrong,
It's 50/50 on getting the loop to loop connection apart. I've done it before. You need some fingernails to get it done or a small pick. It can be done.

However, it's not that hard to make a new loop with a piece of wire on the boat. Takes some practice but once you remember the steps it's like a 1-2 min process.
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