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Old 11-08-2018, 03:55 PM
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Originally Posted by mikeloew View Post
question? when you are pulling planers with a longer leader, how are you bringing the fish in to the boat? I assume you have to manually unhook the planer and bring it in by hand? Guess what I am getting at is in a smaller boat even going to the bow and hoping your gaff man has enough room before you come tight on the planer the the rod.
No I run my planer off the cleat. I let out my ballyhoo with about 50 feet of braid and then make a loop with 5 twists, put a rubber band through the loop (#64 or 84 band) and then use a double snap swivel to connect the band to the line of the planer that's connected to the cleat. I usually have my planer out 120 feet which is about 40 to 50 feet deep im assuming (#16 old salty planer with 400 lb mono) Ill let my ballyhoo go down the planer line about 100 feet and Im guessing it is 35 to 40 feet deep. When a fish fits it will pop the rubber band and you fight it straight to the boat.

I also don't like walking the rod forward as there is no room on my boat, when im high speeding with 30 foot shock chords I just hand line them in and leave the rod in the rod holder. You will be able to hand line and gaff once you get comfortable and it helps if someone is there to drive the boat and turn on the same side the fish is coming in as that will move the fish away from the engines as you hand line him in.
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Old 11-08-2018, 04:17 PM
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I trolled my cowbells for the first time up to 16 knots and they didn't skip the water. How far back to you guys usually run the cowbells. I think I've read people do them WAAYY back. Whats way back?? 300 ft? 500 ft?
You can set them as close as you can as long as they stay submerged....Ive set them so close that they would come up and hit the surface like they were taking a breathe of air and then go back down for 10 seconds and keep repeating that process with no weights but it was flat calm. When fishing with weights I usually give them a count off while letting them out....one with 12 seconds, one with 18 seconds and the other at 24 seconds. I usually only fish three as its only 2 crew on the boat.
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Originally Posted by e_deher View Post
No I run my planer off the cleat. I let out my ballyhoo with about 50 feet of braid and then make a loop with 5 twists, put a rubber band through the loop (#64 or 84 band) and then use a double snap swivel to connect the band to the line of the planer that's connected to the cleat. I usually have my planer out 120 feet which is about 40 to 50 feet deep im assuming (#16 old salty planer with 400 lb mono) Ill let my ballyhoo go down the planer line about 100 feet and Im guessing it is 35 to 40 feet deep. When a fish fits it will pop the rubber band and you fight it straight to the boat.

I also don't like walking the rod forward as there is no room on my boat, when im high speeding with 30 foot shock chords I just hand line them in and leave the rod in the rod holder. You will be able to hand line and gaff once you get comfortable and it helps if someone is there to drive the boat and turn on the same side the fish is coming in as that will move the fish away from the engines as you hand line him in.
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When working on your speed range every boat is different and finding a range where you can maintain a consistent speed is to me the biggest determining factor of how fast I can troll. When my boat comes on plane I pickup speed too fast and just breeze right past the point where I can keep the lures in the water. Work with your boat to find your zone and set your tackle up accordingly.

Be be careful not to run too much lead. Watch the rod tips carefully. If the tips are bouncing rhythmically something is spinning. Switch to a smaller lead for that lure at that speed.

T., I only said a “call-out” because of the subject matter. That debate is seemingly endless. As I said above it’s important to work with your boat to find it’s range. Way too many variables involved for anyone to preach you gotta do this or you gotta do that. My standard answer for how fast is HST? Go Fish!

I do have several of the Nomads. I don’t see any possibility of dragging then HST, the lip is too large. I use them when I’m marking fish AND clouds of bait. If I can’t get anybody interested in a surface lure I clip a trolling weight to the snap swivel (not inline) and send a minnow out sorta downrigger style. Troll the minnow at 3 knots down-current through the pack. It’s the proverbial hail-mary effort but it has put fish on my boat on days I might otherwise go bankrupt.
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I’m in the same boat. 24cc with new-to-me gear that can handle wahoo (and HST) off Chs. Want to learn how to catch Hoos in our waters. Have some Bonita’s and Dtx minnows. Open to advice on what to add/delete for our waters. PM me if you ever want to buddy up.
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Old 11-10-2018, 06:55 AM
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Are you guys using a good quality swivel on your deep diving lures, or are you tying them directly to the leader? Just wondering how they track tried directly verses swivel.
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Originally Posted by mikeloew View Post
Are you guys using a good quality swivel on your deep diving lures, or are you tying them directly to the leader? Just wondering how they track tried directly verses swivel.
I rigged all of my lures up with a loop at the end of the cable. My cowbell lures did come pre rigged with swivels on the end though. My shock leaders are what have the swivels on them.

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Old 11-11-2018, 06:32 PM
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Heavy lures can also dehook wahoo. Leads with a shock cord works best. Most of the time,it is spread presentation and finding the bite.Also the colors of the lures matter. As for cowbells,don’t use them. Single hook lures work best
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Old 11-16-2018, 05:34 PM
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The Yozuri Bonita is okay behind a 64 oz. trolling lead in the shortest position on the boat. The orange one seems to get hit more often in my waters.

I’m a big fan of the Red Eye Lures SB-3, also for a short position. I cut about 3” off the skirts and drag them behind a 48 oz. weight.

For the further back lures I like a Mr. Big, Wahoo Express or similar in the 9” range. Depending on seas these trail a 32 or 24 oz. trolling lead.

I’m one of the few here who is not a cowbell fan. They pull like tanks and aren’t as productive as my other lures so the extra fuel needed to drag them around just doesn’t pencil out for me. I never got one to run where I wanted it to without a lead. Many here say it needs to be WWB but due to the geography of my area I don’t have that position available.
first two times i ever went HST we landed an 87 and a 91, respectively, on a short shot cowbell with a squid skirt behind a 64 oz weight running 18 knt. The lure was literally 20-25 yrds behind the boat. Have seen many other fish but these were the biggest. I'm buying a boat next year and i'll always have one in the spread on the short shot.
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Old 11-17-2018, 09:00 AM
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I'm buying a boat next year and i'll always have one in the spread on the short shot.
Pay close attention to what’s in the belly of those fish you catch and try to mimic it with your lures. Size, shape length and color.

Not sure where you fish but I’ve never cut a cowbell out a fish’s belly in my locale.
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I usually run the Banshee supreme long I set it at 450' no lead just let it jump and blow a huge smoke trail. Some days it is an unbelievable producer others it gets switched out in an hour. The last time we were in bimini it did not get hit but I ran back a Large Mastermind lure and got hit right away. This lure was very productive for the rest of the day we also caught a 20# dolphin on it.

I have not tried cowbell lures in the spread with weight but I may this season
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Headed out Of Charleston Friday at 0530. High tide around 9:30am on a new moon. Thoughts on strategy? Blackfin would be a good 2nd species. Plan to bottom fish for groceries early afternoon too. This newbie will take any advice he can get. Thanks in advance.
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Headed out Of Charleston Friday at 0530. High tide around 9:30am on a new moon. Thoughts on strategy? Blackfin would be a good 2nd species. Plan to bottom fish for groceries early afternoon too. This newbie will take any advice he can get. Thanks in advance.

HST the incoming at the crack of dawn. Like, sunrise. Best bite for hoo is on the outgoing. Find something to keep you busy between 8-10 if you don’t want to burn the gas HST, then HST 10-2 on the outgoing. Good luck
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Thanks! Will chase Blackfin at a slower pace in the late morning.
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Originally Posted by Volleybum1970 View Post
Thanks! Will chase Blackfin at a slower pace in the late morning.
I often find the change of tide to outgoing is very good. So if high tide is at 9:30, I’d be HST at 9. Like was said above the sunrise bite is the best bite regardless of tides, etc. Sunrise means different things to different folks. If NOAA or any other site says sunrise is at 6:30– you need to have lines in at 6 when it is still dark— first light is key— not “sunrise”. Good luck
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