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Capt_Rocky 10-16-2018 07:22 AM

Building a deep drop electric Swordfish reel
 
I would love to get out in the Gulf Stream and start day dropping on swords but there is no way I could ever justify spending $4000+ on an electric real (LP, Hooker, Dolphin, etc.). I have 2 Daiwa Tanacom Bull 1000ís but they are no where near suited to pull up a sword from the deep, better suited to fly the kites. Iíve thought about the Shimano Beastmaster 9000 because of the price point, but I feel like it would be very strained trying to repeatedly do deep dropping to 1500ft with 15lbs of lead. Iíve researched tremendously on the hooker electric and dolphin systems and I donít see what really is so special about them. Itís a Penn or Shimano reel with a motor built onto it. I have a complete workshop and the experience in machining and engineering gearing systems and motors, whatís to say you canít build a similar system to that? Has anyone tried building on a motor to a Penn 80 wide? Anyone have any input on either building the motor on the left side or even removing the handle and building the motor on to the right side? I figure the reel used would run me $800~, the motor and parts would be about $250~, and Labor would be free. Is it too far fetched to think I could have a deep drop reel ready for around $1000? Any input is greatly appreciated. Looking to spend the next month working this out.

JoseG 10-16-2018 07:27 AM

Suscbd.

Finding the correct motor might be your biggest challenge. Enough torque and variable speed, slow RPM out of a 12VDC motor. I guess a motor from a drill may work.

ptag 10-16-2018 10:20 AM

I am not sure if prices went up, but a few years ago I bought a dolphin w/Penn 80 brand-new for slightly less than $2500. I found the best deal on a Penn 80 that I could possibly find, shipped it to dolphin and they sold me the electrical component and they added it to my reel. If you already have the reel, you can call them and they may consider adding the electrical component to your manual reel.

PelagicOutfitters 10-16-2018 10:23 AM

Combo under 4K
 
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Capt_Rocky 10-16-2018 10:38 AM


Originally Posted by ptag (Post 11904235)
I am not sure if prices went up, but a few years ago I bought a dolphin w/Penn 80 brand-new for slightly less than $2500. I found the best deal on a Penn 80 that I could possibly find, shipped it to dolphin and they sold me the electrical component and they added it to my reel. If you already have the reel, you can call them and they may consider adding the electrical component to your manual reel.


Dolphin quotes about $2200 for motor only attachment, Hooker lists $2500 for the motor attachment. My argument is that a comparable motor to the hooker set up is $125-$200 by itself. Yes I accept the argument that their specific motor is made for saltwater environments. I get that anodized aluminum and brass are expensive and gears and little components will need to be purchased and assembled but does that really make up the $2300 price difference? I could even make the mounting and bracket out of carbon fiber and fiberglass that I have sitting in my garage that would be just as strong and many times lighter. I got that companies have to make money but I work for a living just as many people do. I know there are so many people that would love to get into this type of fishing but the price just scares them away. I just simply want to find if there is a way to enjoy fishing and try new things without breaking the bank.

gerg 10-16-2018 10:41 AM

Why not just use a conventional reel and use a drill with attachment to bring the weights in?

If the only thing you are going to do with the electric part is reduce drudgery of checking baits and hauling in, it will more than do that, and drills are cheap.

hamma job 10-16-2018 11:42 AM

Good luck, just trying to save you some time/aggravation:

1. Hand crank reels were never meant to have a motor put on them. It's not difficult, but at the end of the day it is still a hand crank reel with a motor on it.

2. Any motor you buy retail for $125-200 is likely going to be a hunk of junk.

3. Any brushless motor you buy will need a controller.

4. Motors will need to be geared down- likely significantly. Will be almost certainly too fast straight out of the box.

5. V=IR

If you're doing it out of curiosity than good luck! It can be fun reverse engineering things. If you're doing it to save money be prepared to be disappointed.

Coral Head 10-16-2018 11:50 AM

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mouse4x4 10-16-2018 12:02 PM

Look for a older LP with a 80w or 130w. I got mine for 300 bucks and it looks brand new and works like a champ.
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ogur 10-16-2018 09:52 PM

I agree with mouse you will need a conversion box to get 24v though

hamma job 10-17-2018 06:32 AM


Originally Posted by ogur (Post 11906415)
I agree with mouse you will need a conversion box to get 24v though

12/24V relay box is $350. Plus you need to install a slave battery just to run the reel. They are generally bulletproof, the only issue is LP will no longer work on the drive/motor. When it is dead, it is dead. Those motors got prohibitively expensive to buy in small quantities. If you're a little bit savvy you can keep one running yourself for a long time (painting it, changing brushes, re-doing connections, etc.) if you're not, then it is not the piece of equipment for you. It was the Cadillac of conversion reels for sure.

pinfisher 10-17-2018 08:44 AM

Check into Fish Winch electric motors for fishing. They are about $350

Tino160 10-17-2018 11:20 AM

#metoo
 
I had been kicking around the same thing. I couldn't see myself dropping $4k on a LP1200. I did get a Kristal 621 w/ levelwind and manual handle and have been happy with it(5 swords on it so far from 1000'-1400' with the biggest being 260lbs). I still would like to build one jus cuz I like building stuff. I was thinking 24v electric wheelchair/hoveround motor(already geared down and speed control could also be salvaged from a chair). I was close to buying some parts to play with,But kinda stopped when I was coming up with a drag system. I say go for it! I wanna see lots of pcis!!!!!!

Johnboy 10-17-2018 01:48 PM

Try Elec-Tra-Mate.they make some amazing equipment.

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ranmar850 10-19-2018 06:15 AM


Originally Posted by gerg (Post 11904314)
Why not just use a conventional reel and use a drill with attachment to bring the weights in?

If the only thing you are going to do with the electric part is reduce drudgery of checking baits and hauling in, it will more than do that, and drills are cheap.

What he said. A big sword will smoke any electric anyway, Aussies tend to use Talica 50's and catch huge swords off southern Australia and Tasmania.

hamma job 10-19-2018 07:47 AM


Originally Posted by ranmar850 (Post 11912717)
What he said. A big sword will smoke any electric anyway, Aussies tend to use Talica 50's and catch huge swords off southern Australia and Tasmania.

Your boys are using the wrong electric reels.......

WPBTH 10-19-2018 08:39 AM

Kristal 651, 1500$ used.

marx88 10-19-2018 09:22 AM

I got an old electramate attached to a penn 12/0. It is homeade. Basically a starter motor hooked to the reel. Yee haa! I have lost a lot of good fish with that reel! I dont even trust it to catch bait! Seriously, my homeade electric reel sucks!. If you do make one dont be like me and tie old pieces of line together. Get you 1 solid piece of line and if you have to just pull that swordfish up by hand like they do in mexico

Airslot 10-19-2018 01:37 PM

Parts from a power winch might make an interesting reel?

ranmar850 10-19-2018 08:16 PM

Australians regard Swords as a formidable sportfish, not a piece of meat. There is no sport in an electric reel, meat fishing only. And they make an effort to release them, just as you would with any other billfish species, usually only killed if they dont look like surviving release, or potential record.
Are there electric reels that can manage an 800-900 lb. Sword?


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