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Old 07-11-2018, 05:57 PM
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Well done Pureluck! You have taken your THT beating like a man and kept coming back
Hopefully the beaters are just about done for now. So many threads on here lose the OP's when the community gets stuck in with the hating. Sometimes it's funny and the OP needs to harden up, and sometimes it is over the top and sad to watch the pages of useless 'hating' well after the thread has finished any useful purpose. Hopefully the next thread is about all the fish you catch on your next charter with a great operator.
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Old 07-11-2018, 06:02 PM
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Well done Pureluck! You have taken your THT beating like a man and kept coming back
Hopefully the beaters are just about done for now. So many threads on here lose the OP's when the community gets stuck in with the hating. Sometimes it's funny and the OP needs to harden up, and sometimes it is over the top and sad to watch the pages of useless 'hating' well after the thread has finished any useful purpose. Hopefully the next thread is about all the fish you catch on your next charter with a great operator.
I've got pretty thick skin and I'm pretty open to criticism. I've been on THT for a long time, and I enjoy the back and forths, that's what makes THT great! My next adventure is mini season in Marathon, I'll probably be back on complaining about someone getting too close to steal my numbers!
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This is crazy and as a charter captain I have second captain who has been with me since 2002 and is very fishy. I always let them know in advance that the other captain will be taking them fishing. We run a good operation and no one has ever complained about it. I am sure it is because he does well, is professional and over 16 years of age.
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Old 07-11-2018, 08:00 PM
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I'll do 50 or so offshore trips a year on my boat. Maybe do one charter in places I'm not familiar with every other year. You paid for the local knowledge and didn't get it I'd have balked but I can understand your excitement to fish.
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Old 07-12-2018, 05:21 AM
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First off wrong on the charter boat operaters part for sure. Not only illegal but very unsafe having someone that young running the boat. I don't care who's son and how much experience he has. Second y'all should have known better the second he asked if one of you had a captains license. Huge red flag right there. No way would I let a 16 year old kid run a boat under my license. I never would have agreed to the trip the night before. Would have had my deposit refunded and tried to find another boat.
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Old 07-12-2018, 05:49 AM
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I mean how much practical "experience" can a 16 yr old really have relative to a Capt'n that has been doing this for 20+ yrs?

So if something went a miss, would your friend, w/Capt'n's license, somehow be on the hook under such a scenario?

There must be regulations that govern such a practice otherwise he wouldn't have asked if anyone in the party had a Capt'n's license.

12 and 16, Really?!

Not to mention I suspect there are child labor laws that might preclude a minor as young as 12 from working this job.

Fooked up if you ask me.

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Old 07-12-2018, 06:19 AM
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Originally Posted by MarlinBohner View Post
First off wrong on the charter boat operaters part for sure. Not only illegal but very unsafe having someone that young running the boat. I don't care who's son and how much experience he has. Second y'all should have known better the second he asked if one of you had a captains license. Huge red flag right there. No way would I let a 16 year old kid run a boat under my license. I never would have agreed to the trip the night before. Would have had my deposit refunded and tried to find another boat.
We didn't know we were getting a 16 and 12 year old until they showed up 15 minutes late, by then, we just wanted to fish and figured what the hell.
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We didn't know we were getting a 16 and 12 year old until they showed up 15 minutes late, by then, we just wanted to fish and figured what the hell.
that's on you, dude.

read the whole thread...

regardless of what transpired, who the F gets on a boat with a 16 y/o and 12y/o mate?? i mean, you do i guess... that's just nuts.

the way this should have played out is 'hey kid, call your old man, refund my money immediately'. call your bank to ensure it was done. then move on down the dock to the line of charter boats and find another.

holy smokes.
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Old 07-12-2018, 06:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Sin Bin fishing RI View Post
that's on you, dude.

read the whole thread...

regardless of what transpired, who the F gets on a boat with a 16 y/o and 12y/o mate?? i mean, you do i guess... that's just nuts.

the way this should have played out is 'hey kid, call your old man, refund my money immediately'. call your bank to ensure it was done. then move on down the dock to the line of charter boats and find another.

holy smokes.
Like I said, we're all experienced anglers and boaters and all we thought we really needed was the family numbers. Guess not, hindsight is 20/20.
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His dad had no problem posting that his son is more talented and can outfish 99% of guides down there, I’m assuming billy is the 1%.
Also wether you realize it or not you had a better trip than 99% of the guides could possibly provide, you should feel lucky to be in the presence of such a great fisherman. Truly a living legend.
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Originally Posted by Seasir View Post
His dad had no problem posting that his son is more talented and can outfish 99% of guides down there, I’m assuming billy is the 1%.
Also wether you realize it or not you had a better trip than 99% of the guides could possibly provide, you should feel lucky to be in the presence of such a great fisherman. Truly a living legend.
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Old 07-12-2018, 08:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Seasir View Post
His dad had no problem posting that his son is more talented and can outfish 99% of guides down there, I’m assuming billy is the 1%.
Also wether you realize it or not you had a better trip than 99% of the guides could possibly provide, you should feel lucky to be in the presence of such a great fisherman. Truly a living legend.
Yeah, I saw that. I do feel very special to have fished with such greatness!
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Pure luck i'll be there the same time, staying rt. by vaca cut. run a 30' contender with a light blue hull, vhf handle is H2, give a holler when your out and about and we can complain to each other about all the idots out there, , and way to take the crap that some shit talkers spewed out. Good luck down there and be safe.
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Old 07-12-2018, 09:32 AM
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You are correct, but I would not have jumped on a boat unknown to me and ran 70 miles to DT...
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Old 07-12-2018, 09:35 AM
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Originally Posted by SanibelBryan View Post
Pure luck i'll be there the same time, staying rt. by vaca cut. vhf handle is H2, give a holler when your out and about and we can complain to each other about all the idots out there, , and way to take the crap that some shit talkers spewed out. Good luck down there and be safe.
Will do, I'll be on my Fighting Lady Yellow Hewes Light Tackle. I'll give you a shout. Good luck to you too!
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Old 07-14-2018, 01:12 PM
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Op You said one of the guys fishing with you was an outdoor writer? Will this story be in print?
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Op You said one of the guys fishing with you was an outdoor writer? Will this story be in print?
I doubt that he'd write about this in the magazine.
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I don't know, this sounds like a bit of a mess. I know he left you with little option but you seemed to accept it. If I saw a 16 year old and a 12 year old and I said yes I would have expected they were just taking me in the boat and the fishing was on me outside of locations.

The taking of other people's pin fish pisses me off as I just posted about assholes in the keys stealing my trap a few weeks ago.

I would love to bash this charter but it seems like, given the people involved, you should have known what you were getting into. However, if he wanted you to ever book with him again he should have discounted it to cost.
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Old 07-14-2018, 05:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Re-Bait View Post
I throw all my cans overboard though never any plastic. As for the rest of it, you've been had. And should have bailed when the kids showed up.
Glad you live in Jersey. We have trash cans back at the dock down here.
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Originally Posted by Aliboy View Post
I run fishing charters. In a couple more years my 14yr old son will easily be able to drive our 44ft boat. If I told him where to hunt for fish he would find them and he would tell you how to catch them just fine. What no 16year old can do though is deal with a serious emergency situation. If the boat runs well, doesn't hit something, the winds stay down etc then everyone gets back alive and the boat is safe again. In other words it is just a potentially dangerous situation for everyone.. Even if there are experienced seaman amongst the clients, who knew how the emergency systems worked on that boat? Who knew how the fire system worked. Who knew how the bilge pump system worked. I wouldn't rely on a panicking 16 year old to be doing the right thing under immense pressure he has never dealt with before, and that is assuming that he even knew the systems inside out
I well understand the pressure that a charter operator can be under to fulfill a charter obligation when something has messed up your plans, especially with non-local anglers who have traveled, but this one to me was very poor judgement. As a client also I would have not left the dock and just asked for a refund. Way too much risk here for everyone involved.
As a comment on the above, I know a young charter skipper who recently lost a person overboard. The person died because they couldn't find him in time. The young skipper is a really good guy who grew up with his families multi generation charter business. Crewed for his dad and grandad ever since he was able. Turns out that when the guy went overboard and brown stuff hit the rotating thing he was out of his depth. Been through all the training, years of crewing experience, grew up in the business, but when the stress levels redline it helps to have a bit more age and experience. He will do better next time. but that's not the way to learn.
Wow, I think he nailed it there. That could be a huge disaster...
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