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Chartered a boat for a Tortugas trip, didn't get what we paid for.

Old 07-09-2018, 12:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Pure Luck View Post
It was word of mouth that made us use him for our charter. Two of the guys that I fished with are highly ingrained in the fishing industry.
Oh, I got that from your description. You got hosed, but good. It just seems there's now so much demand; the service providers can now afford to just alienate anyone who doesn't look like a 10k ticket. And to your point . . . even when you do your homework, you may end up with some kid who thinks he's been around longer than the guy paying in Franklins.
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Old 07-09-2018, 12:14 PM
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Originally Posted by coores14 View Post
ok, so you know. Got it. That's what I was referring to.
It's not unheard of for people to show up online here and tell their story long after it happened. So I was just checking to see if your trip and his issue were the same dates. If so, That's a good excuse. Otherwise, I'm on your side here.
Yeah, I'm not a total A-hole, I would have understood fully if that were the case. I remember how devastated I was when a similar thing happened to me with my wife 4 years ago.
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Old 07-09-2018, 12:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Pure Luck View Post
Yeah, I'm not a total A-hole, I would have understood fully if that were the case. I remember how devastated I was when a similar thing happened to me with my wife 4 years ago.
not insinuating at all that you're an A-hole. But if you had no clue what was going on his personal life(because many people wouldn't necessarily share that info right up front), then you'd have no reason to understand fully why he sent his kids in his place. Now that I know that you know, we're all on the same page and we're all good.

to sum it all up -- yes you should be annoyed that he sent his kids.
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Old 07-09-2018, 12:35 PM
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Do the folks here that may be planning a charter and let us know the name of the one that screwed you. You don't want it to happen to someone else do you?
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Old 07-09-2018, 12:40 PM
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This is pretty cut and dry. If the "Captain" of the vessel doesn't have a tonnage rating on his captain's license, than no cash should have changed hands. The Pelagic permits and other stuff simply don't matter. In addition, if you're paying for the service, the Captain's personal life has no bearing on the situation. Ever heard the phrase "Act like a Professional", it applies here. The captain owns a business and if he agrees to take your money, he is agreeing to provide his product. Since that did not happen, I would have no qualms about disputing charges or taking him to task in such a way as to get your money back. One caveat though, it sounds like one of the two guys "in the industry" may have been the one to book the charter. If this is the case and ratting out the captain or challenging the cost causes your friends relationship or careers harm, then absolutely your inclination to stay mum makes sense. Forget what the guys on the forum say, clear it with your buds, and then put this captain on blast.
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Old 07-09-2018, 12:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Pure Luck View Post
I don't think we should have paid full price for the charter if the actual captain that we hired didn't show up and one of us had to have a captains license in order to fish.
I understand you were in a tough spot through no fault of your own, but you could have raised the cost factor the night before, and you should have. You were entitled to be more than just annoyed, but you knew the night before you weren't being provided with a licensed captain. To be honest, I would have backed out right then.

I cannot imagine, if the truth were told, that the trip was legal. Having a customer with a captain's license onboard doesn't pass the smell test, much less the spirit or the letter of the law. You bought into it though, because you wanted to go fishing. So, I say ... take your medicine but reveal the person's identity upon whom fault lies, who put you in such a bad spot ... and who would operate his business in an illegal manner. He should have found a licensed captain to substitute for himself, and if he could not, he should have found you another boat.
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Old 07-09-2018, 01:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Bally Hooooo View Post
He gave the name away in his first post
Name sake of the charter.

Does it start with a Y and end in I
no way in hell Yuri would do that
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Old 07-09-2018, 01:52 PM
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Originally Posted by triumphrick View Post
Even if your buddy had his license, did he hold reef and pelagic permits..??

My understanding is that they are assigned to the Capt, and not the boat.

Unless I'm wrong, someone please correct me...

You folks were in Federal waters in the Tortugas. Not state waters where an OUPV would have been good.
Federal Reef Permits are attached to the vessel, both commercial and charter. Any one with a 6 pack ticket can run that boat and fish charters. But what people are obviously paying for is the Delph name. I called and sent messages to him last year about running a trip on my boat or his for my bachelor party. He told me flat out he wonít run someoneís elseís boat and at the time he didnít have one to run to the tortugas. After very little conversation I realized he wasnít someone I wanted to fish with either way, even though he is a hell of a fisherman, I was given the impression I was wasting his time and he didnít need my money. It all worked out in the end, we went down and I ran my own boat and we crushed the fish and had a good time.
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Old 07-09-2018, 02:28 PM
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Most unprofessional thing I have heard of in some time. Good thing it was just a fishing trip. Imagine if he was a surgeon, can`t make it today so my kid will cut you! Please out this peckerwood.
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Old 07-09-2018, 03:28 PM
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Originally Posted by alacrity View Post
no way in hell Yuri would do that
That's what I thought as well I only thought that because he said the charters name was the captains name, I never even thought of the Delphs.

Also all permits are registered to the boat not captain.
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Old 07-09-2018, 04:38 PM
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Sounds like a bunch of entitled geezers upset that they had to count on a teen and pre-teen to find fish.

He's made no secret about it... https://www.facebook.com/DelphFishin...84960704891296
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Old 07-09-2018, 04:52 PM
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Originally Posted by K-dawg View Post
Sounds like a bunch of entitled geezers upset that they had to count on a teen and pre-teen to find fish.

He's made no secret about it... https://www.facebook.com/DelphFishin...84960704891296
I'm 42, not so much entitled and definitely not a geezer. I counted on chartering a well known captain in the Tortugas and expected said well known captain to actually show up to the charter as he promised. Instead wound up with 2 kids. Yes, the older kid has a ton of potential, and I would have no problem had he been the mate and we had a real captain. It was a secret to us when the night before we get a call to say that he won't make it and his kid will go in his place. So I'm guessing that you think that you are Gods gift to fishing and can fish any where and any time and kill it, but that's not realistic when bottom fishing over 70 miles out when you have to hit "spots" to kill it. Actually, I'm guessing by your name and where you are that you're a pier rat or beach shark "fisherman" that thinks he's great, but has never owned a boat or ventured out from where he grew up fishing.
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Old 07-09-2018, 04:54 PM
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I throw all my cans overboard though never any plastic. As for the rest of it, you've been had. And should have bailed when the kids showed up.
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Old 07-09-2018, 04:56 PM
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eh, let's not get into ad hominem attacks here. The OP has every right to be upset about a bait and switch. Good money was paid for a certain "product". He didn't get what he paid for. That's the bottom line.

It's been a while since I got my captain's license, but isn't the age requirement that you have to be 18 years old?
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Old 07-09-2018, 05:00 PM
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Originally Posted by coores14 View Post
eh, let's not get into ad hominem attacks here. The OP has every right to be upset about a bait and switch. Good money was paid for a certain "product". He didn't get what he paid for. That's the bottom line.

It's been a while since I got my captain's license, but isn't the age requirement that you have to be 18 years old?
Guess I fed the troll with my knee jerk reaction to his post. Must be the beers I'm drinking while getting my flats boat ready for my Keys mini season trip. I normally don't acknowledge trolls, so to the decent people out there with quality posts, sorry for my outburst.
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Old 07-09-2018, 05:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Pure Luck View Post
I'm 42, not so much entitled and definitely not a geezer. I counted on chartering a well known captain in the Tortugas and expected said well known captain to actually show up to the charter as he promised. Instead wound up with 2 kids. Yes, the older kid has a ton of potential, and I would have no problem had he been the mate and we had a real captain. It was a secret to us when the night before we get a call to say that he won't make it and his kid will go in his place. So I'm guessing that you think that you are Gods gift to fishing and can fish any where and any time and kill it, but that's not realistic when bottom fishing over 70 miles out when you have to hit "spots" to kill it. Actually, I'm guessing by your name and where you are that you're a pier rat or beach shark "fisherman" that thinks he's great, but has never owned a boat or ventured out from where he grew up fishing.
Don't get your Depends bunched up. It was sarcasm. I'd be pissed as hell.
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Old 07-09-2018, 05:15 PM
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Originally Posted by K-dawg View Post
Sounds like a bunch of entitled geezers upset that they had to count on a teen and pre-teen to find fish.

He's made no secret about it... https://www.facebook.com/DelphFishin...84960704891296
Swing and a miss right there. Many of us don't do facebook never-mind research charters on it. If that's his new policy every booking should be told up front that his 16 y/o (presumably without a license) will be "captaining" and his 12 y/o will be the mate. Let the chips fall where they may. It's a service to post this story at least on THT so others can be forewarned. I'd bet there are dozens like the OP.

It's disappointing as many of the captains (even the younger ones) in the Keys are true professionals. You get what you pay for most often. I remember stepping on George's boat "The Real McCoy" out of Bud N Mary's when he was nearing 30 with a 22 y/o mate. I thought what are these guys going to show us. Well... they showed us A LOT.

edit: missed the sarcasm too before your last post.
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Old 07-09-2018, 06:08 PM
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It's been a while since I got my captain's license, but isn't the age requirement that you have to be 18 years old?
yes. for an OUPV. do not recall if you need to 21 for the Masters
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yes. for an OUPV. do not recall if you need to 21 for the Masters
that's what I thought. So if the son is 16, he can't legally be operating as a charter captain. Not a good look for the family business, me thinks.
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Paying 1500$ for a charter i expect an exceptional trip. Nothing less. Iím not spending that much money so a 16 yo can take me out. Itís utterly foolish. I would never do business with this outfit.
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