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Nickdee 09-05-2018 05:16 PM

Ok your right back on may 9 sorry I forgot . It was a while ago lol

Capt. Fred 09-06-2018 04:48 PM


Originally Posted by Nickdee (Post 11783877)
Ok your right back on may 9 sorry I forgot . It was a while ago lol

I can never keep track of the themes in all the different threads going on either. I did notice that we are over 13K views on this one. Woooo hooo! If we could just get Mr. tunnels involved (from the transom thread, for those of you who don't know of him), we could surely make it to 20K. Maybe by then I will have actually caught a swordfish to report!

coores14 09-06-2018 05:20 PM


Originally Posted by Capt. Fred (Post 11787245)
If we could just get Mr. tunnels involved

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on deck 09-06-2018 05:34 PM

I am going to make it my personal quest to catch a decent sword on my Seaborg 1200 this weekend. Weather for this weekend is shaping up nicely for a trip down to Ft Lawdy for a daytime session. Moon is good...wind is good...bite is good....it's go time. Time to put the naysayers to bed.

PINER_WAHOO 09-11-2018 05:42 PM

aok gets snowy on it

Capt. Fred 09-24-2018 04:40 PM

I've got a question about using this reel. When dropping 8 or 10 lbs of weight way, way deep, do you guys put it in free spool and use your thumb to keep it from backlashing, or do you back off the star drag until it starts to drop? I've been using free spool and dang, it gets hot on the old thumb!

wsieying 09-24-2018 05:30 PM


Originally Posted by Capt. Fred (Post 11841386)
I've got a question about using this reel. When dropping 8 or 10 lbs of weight way, way deep, do you guys put it in free spool and use your thumb to keep it from backlashing, or do you back off the star drag until it starts to drop? I've been using free spool and dang, it gets hot on the old thumb!

I think there is a knob on the left to adjust the freeness of the spool, should be able to thighten it till you don't need to thumb it while deep drop

cp10415 09-24-2018 05:49 PM


Originally Posted by Capt. Fred (Post 11841386)
I've got a question about using this reel. When dropping 8 or 10 lbs of weight way, way deep, do you guys put it in free spool and use your thumb to keep it from backlashing, or do you back off the star drag until it starts to drop? I've been using free spool and dang, it gets hot on the old thumb!

dont know about 10lb. But with 5lb, I didn't have to thumb it once it's some 10s of yards in the water. I just free spool it all the way down.

Capt. Fred 09-25-2018 02:42 AM

Yup, the brake knob on the left doesn't seem to help much when slowing down 10 lbs. It feels snugged up pretty tightly, but still feels certain to backlash in free spool with that much weight. Maybe I need to snug the brake down even more. Anybody else notice this issue?

fly186 09-25-2018 06:47 AM

I fished with my 1200MJ last week in the Bahamas. It did fine but only caught a bunch of Yelloweye. The reel is fast in high speed - quite a bit faster than my Banax 1000 that we were also fishing on the other side. It never got hot either... but was never tested. I had a newbie on the reel and he did backlash it a few times - once it was so bad we had to cut the line and re-splice and this was using only 6 lbs of lead. I suggest cranking down on that brake knob as much as possible.

wsieying 10-04-2018 06:04 PM


Originally Posted by fly186 (Post 11842886)
I fished with my 1200MJ last week in the Bahamas. It did fine but only caught a bunch of Yelloweye. The reel is fast in high speed - quite a bit faster than my Banax 1000 that we were also fishing on the other side. It never got hot either... but was never tested. I had a newbie on the reel and he did backlash it a few times - once it was so bad we had to cut the line and re-splice and this was using only 6 lbs of lead. I suggest cranking down on that brake knob as much as possible.

I tried on my 1200J, it doesn't seems it would backlash badly if the knob was tightened. however, the knob is a bit difficult to turn with wet hand cos it cannot be "pinched" for turning.

Loosen the break is workable also. I had found a way to set the drag at desired drag force after the rig reached the bottom.

highflier1 10-04-2018 07:19 PM

My 2 cents concerning magic plastic reels., But first I will disclose I have no electric reels, would love one but not in my budget. I do have a lot of experience with Brushless motors.
First off not all brushless motors are created equal, nor is the technology always the same. In-runners and out-runners are both common brushless designs. out-runners tend to have more torque and less speed.

Heat can be a issue, but heat sinks and other design attributes can make a huge difference. Lets not forget about the quality of the magnets which will greatly impact the efficiency . Now also We should also consider gearing. The last point and not insignificant is the controller, Brushless motors require a controller to pulse the phases of the poles. Controllers can advance the timing for Higher RPM's or can reduce the timing to create more torque. Did I forget to mention that brushless motors come with different number of poles. So yes with engineering and good design i will bet there will be better lighter reels in the future.

One other note that should be considered for all you guys pushing it to the limits. If the magnets get to hot, They start to loose their ability and it is a permeant loss. If you are overheating the units perhaps you need to rethink how/what you are doing.

All that said, IF any of you guys want to send me your older lower tech reel that is not up to a sword, I would love to have it. I want to try some deep dropping for tiles and snowy's. but my only option is a TLD. Some how it does not sound reel FUN.

Highflier

FWIW, My experience is primarily with RC Aircraft. Don't under estimate what a electric motor can do. Heck some of the fasted 0-60 vehicles are now electric.

fly186 10-05-2018 06:31 AM


Originally Posted by wsieying (Post 11872979)
I tried on my 1200J, it doesn't seems it would backlash badly if the knob was tightened. ...

There are a lot of factors that contribute to backlash while deep dropping. The amount of weight, rod length and tip action (stiff or flexible), sea conditions, anti-backlash brake settings, and... most importantly, operator skill level.
I used to deep drop with monel wire... you had to really be careful with that stuff. Some reels like the Banax have a line release feature where the motor will engage when dropping to help prevent a backlash. I generally don't use that since I want to get down as fast as possible.
I find that the best way to avoid problems while dropping is to not toss the weight over the side and hope for the best but lower the weight and baited hooks into the water in a controlled manner and suspend them with some thumb pressure on the spool until the rod tip stops bouncing and then let it freespool. During the first 10 or 20 seconds of the the drop I keep a little thumb pressure on the spool just to make sure things go smoothly.
As always, YMMV.

LookDeep 10-19-2018 08:09 AM

Hey folks,

I am novice and plan to order 1200MJ from Australia (please let me know if you know a better deal). Right now I am looking for a deep dropping rod and line for it. Can you please recommend a rod, braid line and leader for me? Also what knots for braid line and leader, and leader and hooker do you recommend?

Thanks a lot!

fly186 10-19-2018 12:11 PM

For my 1200MJ I'm using a cheap ($200 USD) Daiwa Saltiga SA-B 56MHF-DD deep drop rod with 80 lb Diamond Braid Gen 3 hollow core line. I tie a Bimini twist and then attach a ball bearing 300# snap swivel to the Bimini loop with a cats paw knot. For my deep drop hook rigs I use 8/0 to 11/0 circle hooks and 250# LP leader. For weights I typically use 3 or 4 lbs for little or no current and 6-8 lbs when there is some current. Typical fishing depths are 500-1000'.
HTH

Capt. Fred 10-19-2018 04:29 PM

I currently use 65 lb braid and about 100 feet of 200 lb mono leader. I attach the leader with a PR Bobbin knot. Leader size and hooks should be determined by what you are planning on fishing for. Mine is set up for swords. (Not that my rig has had the opportunity to meet a sword yet.)

Nickdee 10-19-2018 06:21 PM

I use a different reel . For sword fish I use 65 braid bimini twist 40 twist and 8 loop finish knot. Cats paw connection 6 times through. I use a Texas blue 250 lb 150 foot leader . . And it does work

LookDeep 10-19-2018 10:31 PM

Thanks, fly186, Capt. Fred and Nickdee for your inputs. They are very useful info for me.

I am reading all kinds of blogs, forums and posts to learn fishing techniques and tips for my first 30 hours fishing trip in Gulf of Mexico. So far I know to fish the bottomfish, such as grouper,I have to drop the jig to the bottom. Since 1200MJ has jig function, so we use it to jig at different depth to catch tuna, snapper, sword, etc.

General speaking, what depth we have to drop to have more chance to catch them? What is the favorite size, shape and color of jig? That will be great if you can share your tips and experience to catch them?

Thanks in advance!

Eaglemsi1 10-20-2018 06:49 AM

Have heard a lot of good things about the Banax Kaigen 1000 electric reels thinking of getting one

coores14 10-20-2018 07:26 AM


Originally Posted by Eaglemsi1 (Post 11915762)
Have heard a lot of good things about the Banax Kaigen 1000 electric reels thinking of getting one

for swords?!


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