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Old 04-16-2018, 07:18 AM
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Originally Posted by mr buck View Post
By the time you see an altimetry chart it is already a week old.
It still remains a useful tool knowing this. If you reflect on the recent hx the site shows you can see where an up or down dwelling has moved based on wind and current.
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Old 04-16-2018, 07:19 AM
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The SeaView Mixed Layer Depth (MLD) is the same as altimetry and shows the day before, so unsure why other services would not be the same.
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Old 04-16-2018, 10:41 AM
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Originally Posted by aftergolf View Post
The SeaView Mixed Layer Depth (MLD) is the same as altimetry and shows the day before, so unsure why other services would not be the same.
Seaview refers to altimetry as sea surface height. Mixed layer depth is for lack of better terms initial thermocline depth.
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Old 04-16-2018, 08:44 PM
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Hey guys, I wanted to give a few comments in regards to altimetry and how it is acquired/updated. My statements are in reference to how RipCharts handles altimetry, which are in alignment with the best practices defined by leading oceanography and marine science institutions.

How is Altimetry obtained?
Unlike ssts and chlorophyll, altimetry is measured as a series of point readings across the earths surface as satellites orbit. An analogy is like a sewing machine stitching lines across the globe each time the satellite orbits the earth. This is unlike sst and chlorophyll, which have a wide swath to measure ocean properties as they orbit. Several altimetry satellites are acquiring sea surface height (aka altimetry) measurements as they orbit each day. In order to get enough data points to build an altimetry model, we have to aggregate 3-5 days of altimetry track lines in order to build an accurate altimetry model. Obviously newer tracks and readings will replace older ones within the same proximity. (trackline example attached below)

How do up/downwellings hold their shape and not equalize?
Upwellings and downwellings are constantly changing and trying to equalize on the world scale. However, with the corolias effect ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coriolis_force ) altimetry upwellings and downwellings will not equalize due forces from the earths rotation and ocean currents/eddies.

Suggestions on using altimetry
Altimetry is a great dataset for finding water that contains the "chain of life". Combine the zero line with an upwelling eddy current, a temp/color break, bottom structure (canyon, shelf,etc) , or a FAD (buoy, oil rig, etc) and it can be very beneficial. I will say in areas where there are substantial upwellings and eddies, altimetry can have a larger influence than areas where there are mild changes in altimetry. For example our customers in Australia that fish the EAC and the massive upwellings/eddies it produces, will live or die by altimetry. When an upwelling is spinning off of their coast, they will have great marlin and tuna bite. I've attached a recent report from the sunshine coast Australia.

New to altimetry?
For those of you hearing about altimetry for the first time, or wanting to learn more, below is a video tutorial that would serve as a good starting point.

Hopefully this is helpful. Let me know if you have any questions about altimetry, RipCharts, or would like to test drive the RipCharts service.
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Attachemnts below include:
1. example altimetry track lines.
2. recent report detailing the benefits of altimetry



Nice example showing altimetry tracklines, from the University of Tasmania, IMOS

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Old 04-17-2018, 06:50 AM
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Originally Posted by aftergolf View Post
How do you know that it is not the day before shot?
Good explanation by Southbound above. An SST chart is simply an infrared image capture by a satellite that captures a wide swath of ocean on every pass. There are less satellites in the sky that can measure altimetry, which is measured by the Satellite sending a narrow-beam pulse and waiting for the return (not unlike sonar). Since its a narrower beam you need multiple passes to build the altimetry map along the coast which takes several days.

Originally Posted by wet_rat View Post
It still remains a useful tool knowing this. If you reflect on the recent hx the site shows you can see where an up or down dwelling has moved based on wind and current.
For sure. By looking at Altimetry it can help you groudtruth the SST map, but you just have to be careful about drawing too many conclusions since you are looking at data with different timestamps.
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Old 04-17-2018, 01:24 PM
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Thanks Chris.
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Old 05-23-2018, 06:41 PM
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I haven't used altimetry as a search tool until I read this thread. Thanks THT!
So, I have a question for you experts. Based on the screen shot below what side of the upwelling would you target? The strong current side on the northeast side or the weaker current side on the southwest side?
SST is pretty uniform along the 150'-600' break.

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No expert by no stretch of the imagination, but I would look here
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Old 05-24-2018, 07:27 PM
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Originally Posted by woodygo View Post
I haven't used altimetry as a search tool until I read this thread. Thanks THT!
So, I have a question for you experts. Based on the screen shot below what side of the upwelling would you target? The strong current side on the northeast side or the weaker current side on the southwest side?
SST is pretty uniform along the 150'-600' break.

I would fish the higher current side to the right of the picture. Between the 0-4 altimetry lines. As you are closer to a decent temp break there also it looks to me. And actually looking at the depths in the back ground there seems to be a ledge there too.

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Old 05-25-2018, 08:45 AM
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Two questions for Southbound, Chris: 1. what is your recommendation to post # 47 on this thread ? The two answers given so far, appear to both have merit.
2. Chris, what is your take on the importance of altimetry when fishing waters within say 35 miles of the mid florida east coast.
There has been some good discussion , pro and con, supporting altimetry's value on this thread. Cutious to know your thoughts.

Thank you, Capt. Billy/Right Stuff
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Old 05-26-2018, 12:13 PM
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Altimetry is just a part of the equation, and it's mostly significant where you have a wider spread of numbers vs just a -6 and -4 ring. With Ripcharts you can overlay the altimetry shot on the SST as well as bathymetry or chlorophyll, etc etc. The spots to target are those that have a couple of these together. If there's a 6 degree temp break on a 0 altimetry line over a ledge or known structure, that is a great place to target. The more factors that line up in the same spot, the higher the percentage will be the fish are there.

My experience using Ripcharts and fishing N Carolina is altimetry typically isn't much of a factor in determining where I target. I try to line up temp breaks with chlorophyll, current and known structure. Now that you've found them, you have to figure out how to catch them.
Chris, thank you to you and Haden for all the insight you have/are providing, having the mobile app is AWESOME!!!!

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Old 06-12-2019, 08:27 AM
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To captain billy/ “right stuff”.”

i love I’ve your detailed response.
i am new to offshore fishing(3 years 30’ CC)
afrer learning all the baseline procedures at a novice level I am beginning to fine tune those skills and branching out to the more detailed aspects.
your reference to “studying” charts to make an educated hypothesis on where to find fish is what I am focusing on now. I fish our of Oregon inlet and prefer to not “leech” off the charter guys.... I would actually like to have my own plan and see how it works.
i don’t suppose you would have the time to offer a complete stranger some time, advice, and knowledge.
best regards!
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Old 06-12-2019, 09:31 AM
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Russell, send me an e-mail at rightstuffcharters@yahoo.com . Include your cell. I'll be happy to discuss the charts I use to plan a trip. Capt. Billy/RightStuff
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Old 06-12-2019, 01:43 PM
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You will find 2 cases where you will see upwelling/dowmwelling, and they are very different fish wise. One is created by high/low pressure regions. These come and go and I don't usually put a lot of stiock in them by themselves because they aren't stable enough to draw the food chain together. They don't generally have much rotation so the amount of vertical water movement is low.

The other is eddies, and those can be potent fish magnets. So you want to look at more than surface height. You want to look at currents, chlorophyl/plankyon, sub surface temps, etc. And you want to look at it over time, not a one shot static image. To use the glass analogy above, create a vortex by spinning the water in the glass. The center will be lower. But there will be a lot of vertical movement as well.

The longer a particular feature exists, the better it is to build the food chain. The more features you have in one area, the better it is.

So yes, I look at it. But I don't always fixate on it.
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Old 06-16-2019, 02:05 PM
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Originally Posted by JaxBch View Post
How much stock do you place in altimetry readings from sites like Hilton's. Were fishing a wahoo tournament this weekend and some of the stars are aligning for water temp, chlorophyll, ect.

However the altimetry is less than ideal for the area. Yellow (as opposed to blue).

Have any of you found altimetry to be a very reliable indicator for success?
Each species has a preferred level Some the higher the negative the better while others are better 0-15cm positive. Once you match the species with what it likes it is a huge asset.
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