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Old 02-28-2019, 09:50 AM
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So I fish in the Northern Gulf of Mexico. AL/FL Panhandle. Where do you all troll your cedar plugs? Far back? Close up? Never trolled them ,but, am going to start. Thanks
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Old 02-28-2019, 06:57 PM
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I don't understand why fish attack a piece of wood. I mean I get the explanations - lure movement, darting, shadow, etc etc. But the fact that they attack "natural" color plug goes against the whole theory of colorful lures to me. Why not paint all the lures in the wood color?
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Old 02-28-2019, 07:18 PM
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Originally Posted by wojtek View Post
I don't understand why fish attack a piece of wood. I mean I get the explanations - lure movement, darting, shadow, etc etc. But the fact that they attack "natural" color plug goes against the whole theory of colorful lures to me. Why not paint all the lures in the wood color?

Color, 90% of the time, makes not a bit of difference, especially trolling at 6-8 knots

Color catches fishermen more than fish.
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Old 02-28-2019, 08:46 PM
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What I donít get if if fish hit the lure 20í off the transom and they hit it 200 yards way way back, does it even matter where you put it in the spread?
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What I donít get if if fish hit the lure 20í off the transom and they hit it 200 yards way way back, does it even matter where you put it in the spread?

Cedar plugs? Nope. Some resin head lures work better with different line angles though.
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Old 03-01-2019, 04:14 AM
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I read up a bit on fish color perception. It seems pelagic fish do not have good color perception because there is not much visible color down deep. They go instead by contrast. Why are there no black cedars? Would they get bit?
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Old 03-01-2019, 04:29 AM
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Originally Posted by wojtek View Post
I read up a bit on fish color perception. It seems pelagic fish do not have good color perception because there is not much visible color down deep. They go instead by contrast. Why are there no black cedars? Would they get bit?
I've got black cedars , but have never run them. Maybe I should.
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Old 03-01-2019, 06:38 AM
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Originally Posted by bluescholar View Post
What I donít get if if fish hit the lure 20í off the transom and they hit it 200 yards way way back, does it even matter where you put it in the spread?
Down south guys run them way way back, and up north guys fish them tight to the transom. Some of this is just do to the style of fishing and others due to the species your chasing.

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I don't understand why fish attack a piece of wood. I mean I get the explanations - lure movement, darting, shadow, etc etc. But the fact that they attack "natural" color plug goes against the whole theory of colorful lures to me. Why not paint all the lures in the wood color?
Natural wood color actually looks more realistic in the water than you think and actually mimics the color of a live squid (amber) and not that far off from olive colored baitfish. I think the wood grain helps break up the color more like a bait fish versus just all being one color shade.

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Old 03-01-2019, 07:11 AM
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Originally Posted by mfix View Post
I've got black cedars , but have never run them. Maybe I should.
We used to run a set of 3 black cedars, always had the nickname "The Soul Train" and they worked.
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Originally Posted by mr buck View Post
Natural wood color actually looks more realistic in the water than you think and actually mimics the color of a live squid (amber) and not that far off from olive colored baitfish. I think the wood grain helps break up the color more like a bait fish versus just all being one color shade.
Makes sense, wood gets darker when soaked in water. The guy who first thought of natural cedar as lure material definitely "thought different". But I do think that color is secondary; it is the darting movement and vibrations that get their attention. Maybe even sounds caused by them. Apparently fish can pick those up.
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Originally Posted by N2theblue View Post
Color, 90% of the time, makes not a bit of difference, especially trolling at 6-8 knots

Color catches fishermen more than fish.
one of my favorite sayings,fancy lures catch the fisherman.
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Originally Posted by jpcanning View Post


one of my favorite sayings,fancy lures catch the fisherman.
Course that remaining 10% of the time can be super frustrating if you don't have the right color and people around you do lol
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Old 03-02-2019, 03:50 PM
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Running cedar plugs either short just off the transom and /or far back is due to the fact that they really cover a lot of area with their crazy zig zagging swimming patterns . Up close or way back , keeps them from tangling with the rest of the spread.
At least this is what I've experienced. Do all cedar plugs run in erractic patterns, or is it that I haven't fine tuned mine.
I do like running at least the distant cedar back behind the rest of the spread. Capt. Billy/ Right tuff
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Old 03-02-2019, 05:24 PM
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Jigging the cedar plugs 25~40’ off transom! I always remember an overnighter I was invited to fish with a big name captain out of Delaware. On the way down to the Washington, he gets the call from the OC charter boats that the pm bite started on yft. They tell him the fish are only biting cedar plugs in the wash ignoring everything else. We were targeting big eye so he wasn’t sure if he had any cedar plugs. I had one in my bag and he found one down below. We put out the big eye spread with 2 dear plugs in the wash. Every time he marked fish near the whales, we jigged the plugs and hooked up on most passes. We ended up putting a bunch of yft in the box before the big event. Sunset!!! Only one big eye but it was 241# and kicked my a$$.

After that trip, I always have my jigging rod ready to go with a cedar plug especially when their is surface action.
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Old 03-02-2019, 06:06 PM
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I had some cheap cedar plugs that were made out of pine. Never caught a fish. Looked the same as the ones made out of cedar to me. Then my deck hand told me to put the cedar one in salt water and look at the color compared to the pine one. The cedar turns a a shade of red brown. The pine just looks brown in the water. He then showed me some under water pictures he took of spuid. The spuid were the exact redish brown color of the natural cedar. Even the silver head matches the front of the squid in the pictures. I always wondere why I never had any luck with the painted ones. Now when I buy cheap cedar plugs, I smell them to make sure they are made of cedar. I'm sure that some people have great success wtih colored cedar plugs and think I'm full of BS. Natural cedar plugs were what was working last week for me. After reading this thread. I am going to buy a couple red and white ones and give them a try. Don't want to get to set in my ways.
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Old 03-02-2019, 06:11 PM
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Originally Posted by mr buck View Post
Natural wood color actually looks more realistic in the water than you think and actually mimics the color of a live squid (amber) and not that far off from olive colored baitfish. I think the wood grain helps break up the color more like a bait fish versus just all being one color shade.
Saw that this past summer fishing Albacore in WA state-just for a moment the Cedar Plug looked like an Opal Squid jumping in the wake.
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Old 03-03-2019, 08:23 AM
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We pretty much always have a cedar plug or two in our spread on our charter.

We have tried them all (painted, mylar, aluminum...), but nothing does as well as a natural cedar plug.

The cheap ones on Ebay work just as good as the $13 ones.

My deckhand "tuned" a bunch of them and as far as we can tell it makes no difference- a lot is going on at 7 knots and I don't think troll fish are all that detail oriented.
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Old 03-03-2019, 08:34 AM
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I almost always have a cedar plug out while trolling. I even have started skipping them under a kite instead of my favorite yummy flyer. Works great and they hold up better than the flyers. Have landed yellow fin tuna, bonito, sailfish, striped marlin, blue marlin, rooster fish, sierra, and even a red snapper trolling natural color cedar plugs. I have also had some success casting them into schools of yellow fin. They cast farther than a popper and all you have to do is reel fast.
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Old 03-08-2019, 01:24 PM
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I bought some natural cedar plugs off eBay that arenít turning red in the water, I think theyíre pine. Would you guys say Iím better off painting them or leaving them alone?
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