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Old 12-07-2017, 03:54 AM
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I already had a Penn Defiance 40 level wind and just bought a Penn Squall 30 level wind, which is supposed to hold more line. I spooled each with about half mono then half braid. The Defiance has an nice even line lay, but the supposedly better Squall creates a large hump of line just left of center. What's up with that?

The Squall is the gold trim reel in the photos.
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Old 12-07-2017, 08:03 AM
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I've got a 20 left hand. I noticed when I first loading it (mono),it was skewed to one side, but I just walked out to check it and it's pretty even now after a season of use.
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Old 12-08-2017, 09:59 PM
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Are they like the Penn spinning reels where they come with a washer to adjust the line lay?
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Old 12-09-2017, 02:32 AM
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No adjustments are possible that I know of. I spooled up a second Squall 30, and it came out with a rounded hump of line in the middle of the spool. This time I was careful to 1) tie the line to the middle of the spool while the line guide was also in the middle of the spool, and 2) put tension on the line with with my gloved left hand held even with the center of the reel and not to one side.

Maybe the hump in the middle is because of how I tied the line to the spool. I used a 20 turn bimini twist in 40 lb mono, looped through itself, so I could get 100% line strength at the spool. Maybe the bulk of the knot shows as a hump in line when the reel is fully spooled.
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Old 12-09-2017, 09:35 AM
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Maybe the bulk of the knot shows as a hump in line when the reel is fully spooled.
Not sure, but that makes sense. Maybe try a knot with less bulk. I can't imagine that knot needs to hold a ton of weight, as the wraps are doing the work once the line is on the reel.
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I used a 20 turn bimini twist in 40 lb mono, looped through itself, so I could get 100% line strength at the spool. Maybe the bulk of the knot shows as a hump in line when the reel is fully spooled.
There ya go. Just do an arbor knot at the spool. There's a reason why folks have been using it for 100+ years.
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Old 12-09-2017, 10:09 AM
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I can't imagine that knot needs to hold a ton of weight, as the wraps are doing the work once the line is on the reel.
Well, if you've ever been spooled by a big fish (not that it's ever happened to me three times), you want 100% line strength on your last wrap so the fish has to literally fight you for your pole. Or if you've even taken off in the boat, forgetting that your flat line is still in the water (not that it's ever happened to me twice), you definitely want full strength at the reel. The standard arbor knot suggested for attaching line to the spool is so weak that you just hear a little "ping" as you're left staring at an empty spool. Best arrangement I've found is to tie a bimini twist, pull it over and around the top of the spool and back out of the reel, then place the spool of line through the loop. It snugs down on the spool, doesn't slip, and retains 100% line strength.
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Old 12-09-2017, 10:12 AM
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I would expect the line over the knot to hide the knot instead of mounding up over it. Most levelwind issues are due to poor lubrication or wear of the worm gear or follower/pawl.
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Old 12-11-2017, 07:32 AM
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Would changing line tension as it is being wound on be part of the issue?
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Old 12-12-2017, 02:36 PM
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I'm definitely no expert but I can't imagine that the bulk of the knot would creat that hump - and then, why wouldn't it be on both reels.

Here is a shot in the dark - if you were putting tension on the line with your gloved hand close to the reel, then the angle of the line between your hand and the spool might be greater when it's filling the side of the spool. That might cause greater tension and a tighter fill on the side furthest from your hand?

Similar to what pikebreath is saying...
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Old 12-12-2017, 03:09 PM
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=jvitiel;10920488 if you were putting tension on the line with your gloved hand close to the reel, then the angle of the line between your hand and the spool might be greater when it's filling the side of the spool..
I think you are on the right track. My hand was acting as a line guide close to the reel and a bit to one side. We'll see what happens when I let out a bunch of line behind the boat and reel it back.

It does raise a question about design of level wind mechanisms. The line guide slot is a few millimeters wide, and when it moves away from the center of the reel, the line coming from the lowest rod guide will pull toward to edge of the slot that is closest to the center of the reel. If that fact is not taken into account in the design of the worm gear, the line will bunch up more in the center.
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Old 12-13-2017, 06:22 AM
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My squalls do this also. They still catch plenty of fish and I don't really care. Got better things to worry about.
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My squall lever drags do the same thing and piles on line to one side or the other. You have to roll your thumb along to guide the line as you reel in a fish. I hate it but I've gotten use to it. The wife, kids, and nephew not so much. I had to hand line a wahoo the last 30 yards to the boat when the mono built up so much on one side that it seized against the reel.

I ended up buying some smaller 30 squalls in the levelwind and like it much better. I heard complaints the levelwinds have a tendancy to fail over time but I've had them for 2 seasons with no issues. Although I think I'll try another brand when replacing the 50Ws.
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