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How to fish hoos in really sloppy weather?

Old 04-23-2006, 06:52 PM
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Default How to fish hoos in really sloppy weather?

We unsuccessfully tried the other day to fish for some hoos and mahi in some sloppy seas...5 to 7 footers of confused ocean. We ran an in-line weight with a green machine WWWTFB, a GRUWHA WB, an Ilander Sailure outside of the prop wash, a large Yo Zuri bonita long and a cedar plug WWB. We had one hit on the Ilander (ironic, the close one was hit). I didn't want to mess with the downriggers or planers given the conditions and only 2 onboard. Our trolling speed was around 9 mph with an occasional high teens as we surfed some waves.

Here is the question. Assuming you are in a CC and fishing in those conditions....how would you have run your spread? I am guessing I should have gotten the stuff deeper.
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Old 04-23-2006, 07:05 PM
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Run in the troughs red/black or purple I have used a CnH lil smoker on a 14oz diamond jig in pink/black and tiger stripe(orange/black) The diamond jig has flash and weight and the lil smoker adds flash n flutter18-24"275-480# cable and run as fast as I can without having the crew puking
The skirt is held right on the diamond jig with a bead and crimp This seems to be a very good color combo for me and others up here The diamond jig trick I tried 10 yrs ago when working to keep the bait from floating up after the trolling sinker on a head boat Ran so much better I removed the sinker and now just run this way Beats 65$ skirted lures because the jig can take all the teeth Mr who has and then some
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Old 04-23-2006, 11:15 PM
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I have the gear to make one of those things....thanks for the idea.
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Old 04-23-2006, 11:45 PM
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Flat lines help.
Running beam to seas if possible to not get killed.
But going out 100 miles to play in 5-7 foot chop is not my idea of fun.
Probably more productive staying inshore and trolling some 20 dollar bills around the fish market.
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Old 04-23-2006, 11:55 PM
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Bullshipper - 4/23/2006 10:45 PM

Flat lines help.
Running beam to seas if possible to not get killed.
But going out 100 miles to play in 5-7 foot chop is not my idea of fun.
Probably more productive staying inshore and trolling some 20 dollar bills around the fish market.
The Ilander that was hit was a flat line....a rubber band held it to the downrigger boom.
We trolled beam to the seas.....one wave broke above the gunnel and soaked me to the bone.
I agree...5-7 ft seas are not fun and I would have avoided them had I known they were lurking offshore.
Since we were there we decided to take a shot at the fishies.
We didn't catch anything but I still loved it.....I just want to do better in the future.





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Old 04-24-2006, 12:24 AM
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Dave, it seems you will get more wahoo by getting bait down deep..... planers... trolling weights....etc...

it is very hard for a CC to troll in those conditions and keep a constant speed, I was in similar seas a week ago and they were pushing me 5 to 14 knots depending on the wave.... can't run decent sized planers in that mess....

I run 7 to 8 knots... but I know some who run a little faster....


For Ilanders red and black...blue and black are good..... Lehi (local boys) make a great 20 oz and 16 oz head lure...they are black or red head and the skirts that work well are purple and black and red and blue (at least of the ones I have used)
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Old 04-24-2006, 07:59 AM
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Got it Cracker. I was thinking the same thing: 1) no way I could keep a planer down given our speed when we surfed a wave; 2) my in-line weight weighed 24 oz and the GRUWHA weighs 24 oz; and, 3) the 10" bonita lure tracked subsurface as well. But like I said, the lure that could hit was on top near the boat....but it was a smoker style Ilander so it was making a heck of a bubble trail. I guess my only other alternative is to...........










buy a much bigger boat....or












do a better job forecasting the weather at the stream.
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Old 04-24-2006, 11:35 AM
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Dave...order a few of these lures..... the drop shots are great..

http://www.lehibaits.com/drop_shot.php


and these are great for dolphin or when the tuna are eating small bait.... blue white and bleeding dolphin are my favorite colors....

http://www.lehibaits.com/squitches.php

they will make custom ones for you too....
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You don't need necessarily need to get your baits deeper when it's rough. In fact, it's often easier to get surface bites when it's choppy. I usually fish heavier stuff than normal on my outriggers (like 2 oz seawitches, 3 oz tuna clones, etc.) to keep them from blowing around too much and to keep them in the water. Don't run the outrigger clip all the way to the top to keep your lines from blowing around. I adjust my lines depending on the direction I'm heading when I'm trolling beam-to the seas to prevent my lines from tangling; I always keep the outrigger bait on the downwind side further back than the upwind side, and I don't run the outrigger clip on the upwind side as far up to keep the line/bait from getting blow across the spread and tangling up. I also troll slower at 4-5 kts when it's rough rather than the standard 6-7 kts b/c I feel like the fish don't get quite as good of a look at your baits when the surface is choppy. Like others said, use flat line clips.
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if you had one lure for a wahoo, it should be a black bart hex jet in black/orange or black/purple. If it has the rubber stop for the stiff rig on it, take it off and fish a ballyhoo behind it.
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Old 04-24-2006, 12:51 PM
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if you had one lure for a wahoo, it should be a black bart hex jet in black/orange or black/purple. If it has the rubber stop for the stiff rig on it, take it off and fish a ballyhoo behind it.
aren't those like $60?
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$40

but they work
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