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Old 04-21-2006, 06:42 PM
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15 bearing system copying the $700 Siawas and Shimanos
dual large drag system
24 oz with large reel capacity
5 year garantee

http://www.rivermarinesupply.com/xca...6&cat=0&page=1

$160 with the extra spool.

Comparing to a shimano speros at $140, 24 lbs of drag on single washers, 1 yr garantee, 4 bearings, no extra spool that is back ordered.

Is this particular Okuma worth a try for big tuna?
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I just used my new Okuma VSystem VS-40 for the first time today. Very smooth reel that seems extremely solid and well put together. I'm going to crack it open next week to see how it looks inside. I would give it a try for the money.

Check out this website for a better price ($149). The shipping on mine was fast and free and the service was excellent.

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Old 04-21-2006, 08:24 PM
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Bull I can take a giant crap in a box mark it garranteed doesn't mean it is better all it means is it's garranteed
I'm going to purchase some spheros when I get back from obx from what I see it is alot of reel for 139$ much better than the penn offering at that price imo The big O has to get a track record before I spend another penny on their spinners I have 2 azul 65's not in the same league as this latest version by a long shot.
Put it this way I have talked to Mike in parts enough to know his name and request him. He is great at his job but I wish I didn't know him if you get the drift of what I'm saying This is from just football size fish not volkswagon size fish
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Old 04-21-2006, 08:31 PM
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I'd rather have my penn 9500ss i own a few okumas there good but not a quality like penn, the okuma big game reels are very well made they just need to put that into their other reels
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Old 04-22-2006, 11:53 AM
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Bull,
There is only a couple of options for fishing with big spinners.....Go with the BG's, baitcasters, spheros type reels and get spooled some or get out your money to buy (from expensive to very expensive) Stella, Saltiga or Accurate. These big spinners will handle all the drag you want to use but will also need a special rod to handle what the reel can handle. So with this option you are looking at +- $1000. About what you will invest in quality conventional set up of the gold variety. So just reach in deep and pull out that money or be happy catching smaller fish.
Casting to big fish is awesome
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Aluminum frames, and 3X the price of their next best offering makes me believe that this is a loss leader designed to give legiticy to their cheaper line. Large dual drags, 15% lighter, 15 bearings instead of 4. I am listening, but I think that Okuma may have something on paper that competes in design with the 15 bearing $700 reels, at a 4 bearing price. Looked at the Penns, but they don't cut it.

The 5 year garantee my only translate into free service and not replacement, but what the hey. Just wish I could see one in person before running the Visa card.
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Bull I can take a giant crap in a box mark it garranteed doesn't mean it is better all it means is it's garranteed
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OKUMA V80 VS. Penn slammer and quantum cabo

This reel in my opinion is not that great.
1) The DFD drag is not that revolutionary. The Penn slammer(gold handle) and quantum cabo, two reels that I know of under 200 bucks and fish with, have both drags above and below the reel.

2)The reels body. I did not see that it was aluminum= plastic, again both the Penn and quantum is aluminum

3) 16 bearings is actually a bad thing and also having not enough. If one bearing breaks the whole reel is messed up.
A simpler reel with less and stronger parts means less things to break. I have seen the inside of the Penn and quantum and they are both extremely simple, and strong.

4) felt drag washers- don't let the Japanese line get you. felt drag washers are one of the original styles of washers. the Penn has ht-100 drag washers and the quantum has ceramic drag washers.

In my opinion a Penn 560 slammer or Quantum cabo pts60 would shame this reel completely.
This reel has the bling bling quality, which is seen in alot of low grade reels (flash for no cash)

Bullshipper Im not seeing how the Penn would not cut it. I have fished this reel and I would say it is in the top 3 best spinning reels under 200$.

I guess you can only find quality from using the reel for an amount of time.
I think if you had all three of the reels and fished them for a year the differences would be noticeable. I have fished the quantum(1 year) and Penn(2 years) and both are still smooth, no corrosion and great reels for offshore purposes.
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Old 04-22-2006, 11:26 PM
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I tailhooked a 50lb Bluefin (48) on a Cabo 60 with 50lb Powerpro....

Have some going on the 3rd year of chartering... only problem is the plastic end cap falling off. Tapped the holes and put SS Set screws in them.
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Old 04-23-2006, 03:00 PM
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Correction*
It does have a aluminum frame-my bad
the only down fall to this reel is the drag material and the amount of bearings.
Knowing now it has an aluminum frame does make it better to me.
If they put a better drag material in it, it would make this reel alot better. I dont think people would care spending a littler more money on this reel if it had a quality drag material in it.
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OKUMA V80 VS. Penn slammer and quantum cabo

This reel in my opinion is not that great.
1) The DFD drag is not that revolutionary. The Penn slammer(gold handle) and quantum cabo, two reels that I know of under 200 bucks and fish with, have both drags above and below the reel.

2)The reels body. I did not see that it was aluminum= plastic, again both the Penn and quantum is aluminum

3) 16 bearings is actually a bad thing and also having not enough. If one bearing breaks the whole reel is messed up.
A simpler reel with less and stronger parts means less things to break. I have seen the inside of the Penn and quantum and they are both extremely simple, and strong.

4) felt drag washers- don't let the Japanese line get you. felt drag washers are one of the original styles of washers. the Penn has ht-100 drag washers and the quantum has ceramic drag washers.

In my opinion a Penn 560 slammer or Quantum cabo pts60 would shame this reel completely.
This reel has the bling bling quality, which is seen in alot of low grade reels (flash for no cash)

Bullshipper Im not seeing how the Penn would not cut it. I have fished this reel and I would say it is in the top 3 best spinning reels under 200$.

I guess you can only find quality from using the reel for an amount of time.
I think if you had all three of the reels and fished them for a year the differences would be noticeable. I have fished the quantum(1 year) and Penn(2 years) and both are still smooth, no corrosion and great reels for offshore purposes.
I went over to the store and inspected another Penn 850SS, which seems to be the largest Penn now availavable as the 950 is only found on ebay. The 850 only has one stack of washers not 2, and seems to spin out of balance and be clunky to me. Your other comment about the number of bearings seems suspect to me as more bearings to me means that it has less friction, more strength, and a longer life than a reel using less expensive bushings in their place. The newer generation of reels also stacks the line differenty which seems to help keep it from digging in with more drag, cast a bit farther, and is the reason for more gears.

I haven't seen any reference to the felt washers you mention on the Okuma but if this is the case I would agree that carbon fiber or teflon mixed with stainless would be better.

I have kind of come to the conclusion that the Diawa BG90's I have are as good or better than the as the Penns. The Spheros and the Okuma may be the next step up but are suspect as the spheros is now discontinued and the Okuma has yet to earn its spurs. And I agree with others that the Saltist, Saltiga, Accurate twin spin 30 and Fin Nor are still at the top of their class.
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Old 04-23-2006, 11:51 PM
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"The 850 only has one stack of washers not 2, and seems to spin out of balance and be clunky to me"

Id have to agree that the Penn ss line is not that great. I was mentioning the Slammer series
http://www.pennreels.com/01_products...lammer/560.htm

I wish they made a large reel than the 560 but it has a decent capacity with braid and not bad for mono. The new ssm series is suppose to be a big improvement over the ss series to.

"Your other comment about the number of bearings seems suspect to me as more bearings to me means that it has less friction, more strength, and a longer life than a reel using less expensive bushings in their place."
In this situation it is a matter of opinion. My opinion is that a reel with a hefty number of bearings means
1- more maintenence, more trouble with one bearing going bad

2- some people say more bearings= better reel. I don't believe in that method. If a reel can use less bearings and be extremely smooth and strong as a reel with more bearings I believe this reel to be superior. For instance I hade a penn captiva. I think it had 15 bearings. After 3 months it was clunky and falling apart ( i would not suggest this reel to anyone). This is an example of how a reel that was engineered to take the easiest way out to make the reel feel smooth out of the box.
I look at it this way if you have a simple plan to be the same as a more complex plan and they have the same exact out come to me the simple plan is the best. Kind of like 6/9 =2/3

Dont get me wrong though not enough bearings for a particular type of reel is also a problem( under engineering- like as you stated with cheap replacements) IMO every reel has a different "optimum" number of bearings. I have never seen this reel or fished it so maybe 15 bearings is what the optimum number for this reel is.

3) The reels I know( the quantum 60 and pen 560 slammer) both don't incorporate bushings (instead of a bearing) into their design



Here is the felt drag reference

http://www.okumafishing.com/products/reels/spinning.htm

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i have never had any problems with my Penn 9500SS I have caught many of tuna as large as 175lbs and some big threshers on it with no issues going on 5 years now
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strikerthree - 4/24/2006 3:38 PM

i have never had any problems with my Penn 9500SS I have caught many of tuna as large as 175lbs and some big threshers on it with no issues going on 5 years now
This looks like an excellent candidate but I can't find much data. Do you tink she would take 25 lb+ of drag and sustain that on tuna?
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i have never had any problems with my Penn 9500SS I have caught many of tuna as large as 175lbs and some big threshers on it with no issues going on 5 years now
This looks like an excellent candidate but I can't find much data. Do you tink she would take 25 lb+ of drag and sustain that on tuna?

yeah i dont see why not this reel is a brute
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The penns have a short spool that will hinder the casting distance It also doesn't lay the line like long stroke spools on othe brands I have an 8500 and a 9500 You will have to grease the washers to make it as smooth as the shimmano This is why I will be switching to the spheros It feels alot more refined in your hands I also have a 6500 baitrunner that does everything that thes penns do but without the capacity with straight mono (which I like to use mostly) it stays home more than not
The 8500 n 9500 would be great if this was 1986 but in this day and age it is dated
Your already handicapping yourself why spend money on something that is a lateral step from what you have now The shimmano Thunnius was built for some type of fish but I can't remember It is just north of what your looking at but a proven product none the less
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strikerthree - 4/24/2006 3:38 PM

i have never had any problems with my Penn 9500SS I have caught many of tuna as large as 175lbs and some big threshers on it with no issues going on 5 years now
That doesn't matter, you have been here long enough to know that unless it is the most expense, latest, greatest bling bling.....it ain't good.
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i have never had any problems with my Penn 9500SS I have caught many of tuna as large as 175lbs and some big threshers on it with no issues going on 5 years now
That doesn't matter, you have been here long enough to know that unless it is the most expense, latest, greatest bling bling.....it ain't good.

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ubettcha13 - 4/24/2006 11:01 PM

The penns have a short spool that will hinder the casting distance It also doesn't lay the line like long stroke spools on othe brands I have an 8500 and a 9500 You will have to grease the washers to make it as smooth as the shimmano This is why I will be switching to the spheros It feels alot more refined in your hands I also have a 6500 baitrunner that does everything that thes penns do but without the capacity with straight mono (which I like to use mostly) it stays home more than not
The 8500 n 9500 would be great if this was 1986 but in this day and age it is dated
Your already handicapping yourself why spend money on something that is a lateral step from what you have now The shimmano Thunnius was built for some type of fish but I can't remember It is just north of what your looking at but a proven product none the less

Don't know where you get the thing about the spool, the distance casting depends on the size of the bottom guide the bigger the bottom guide the more line thats gonna come off,
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Rich,
Thanks for your continuing comments. I agree about the longer spools,but the daiwa emcast I looked at had a 3/16 diameter upper spool shaft that look liked it would bend with a lot of drag and extra leverage from the longer spool.

I keep putting these reels back on the shelf after releasing that the old BG90 is as good as most of the newer stuff.

I will keep looking, but I need big drag washers, 5:1 48" retrieval per handle turn, all alloy body, criss cross line lay and a hefty handle.
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